I never said discrimination didn't exist. I said your specific claims of statutory discrimination in the US don't exist anymore. The bans on Sharia law don't count unless you can show where they actually deprive some one of their rights rather than just showing the idiots who pass them to be affray afraid of some Muslim bogeyman.
Try reading what I actually wrote and not what you want me to have said in order to classify me as a racist.
I posted direct links. This is over in conversation. You blatantly ignored the site which discussed the lawsuits and information on many of these items, even after a direct link to one of many organizations doing this stuff. I already stated I thought nothing would change your mind, even direct evidence and proof, and it appears I was right.
There is no point in continuing this.
Why don't we return to the topic of why people riot, as that's the far more interesting thought process anyways and what was the intriguing part of the thread.
I didn't get much response on what I think would be representative between riot and looting in a chaotic form, and a united front.
It had appeared that many times they organize the protesting, but something happens. You'd think if they could organize the protest, why does it get out of hand then?
You see this in the Indian Independence movement from early last century. Prior to Gandhi's involvement, they tried to organize, but many times it was simply useless violence, riots, and looting. When Gandhi came, he had the same groups, but focused them. He also had a non-violence push, but there was an occasional violent outbreak still.
The difference was that it was united and focused, using the same energies, but something he did was different which prevented the riots and looting of their home areas, and instead focused on what would affect those that oppressed them.
I haven't nailed down what it was that he did differently in that regards though. He was only one man, but somehow, his approach made all the difference between random riots and looting, and a united and focused front.
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Looting happens every time the police are shown not to have control of an area. People react with "oh, so I can take stuff and not go to jail? Sweet!". There are always some who do it. Rioting is an effect of (and this is my theory) human pheromones at toxic levels. See, we are flock creatures, and as such, we OUGHT TO have a chemical system for signaling like other such species. Fear, anger, lust, happiness are the prime emotions we probably communicate though scent. Now, if you have a large number of people in one place, all triggering one another through signals of fear and anger - boom. I haven't been in a crowd turned ugly myself, but people who have all describe one thing: it happens in an instant, spreading from one end of the crowd to the other. And then, people do terrible things, things they normally wouldn't, and regret afterward. Now, gases spread at about a mile per second. That would certainly fit. We have something called the VNO, the vomeronasal organ, a tiny gland located inside the hard palate, that has receptors for these chemicals. What has not yet been solved is how the VNO communicates this to the brain.
If this is true, wind and rain would dampen riots very effectively. Which they do, to my knowledge, but perhaps for more reasons than usually given.
Nothing I say is going to convince you.
YOU COULD...go and see previous posts with links to the cases and other things I posted, some more recently than others.
YOU COULD...simply read the news....
YOU COULD...simply google it.
The problem, from my perspective, is that every time the subject comes up, you try to turn it into a pissing contest. You present and analyze the topic of discrimination of Arabs as being the absolute height of all wrongs and that anyone who suggests that anything else is also wrong is attempting to discredit your claims or ignoring them.
That might not be your intent, but it's how you come off.
For example, months ago, you basically implied that the president SHOULDN'T doing anything about black/latino problems, because Arab problems were worse.
You talk about these subjects as if they're a zero-sum game.
It's isn't that OMG NO ONE BELIEVES YOU, it's more that you're exceptionally difficult to talk to as you get highly aggressive and every bit as dismissive about other people as you claim they are about you.
I believe you and agree that Arab-americans are highly discriminated against. I have no interest in participating in a pissing contest on who has it worse, Arab or African americans, which is what you seem to want to turn it into.
The OP also has it completely wrong. It's not that the prosecutor went to the grand jury with a weak case. It's plainly clear that the prosecutor went to the grand jury with the deliberate intention of sabotoging the people's case with so much effort that he grand jury had no choice but to drop the case. I'm sure a lot of defendants would LOVE to have the prosecutor play the role of defense attorney as was clearly done in this case.
When the game is this obviously rigged, you expect people not to get upset?
The Prosecutor has done this before, only providing evidence that exonerates the police.
Even in the interview with Officer Wilson, he was asked a question about dragging Brown into his vehicle, his answer was that that is against all training. He never did say that he wasn't doing that.
Looting happens every time the police are shown not to have control of an area. People react with "oh, so I can take stuff and not go to jail? Sweet!". There are always some who do it. Rioting is an effect of (and this is my theory) human pheromones at toxic levels. See, we are flock creatures, and as such, we OUGHT TO have a chemical system for signaling like other such species. Fear, anger, lust, happiness are the prime emotions we probably communicate though scent. Now, if you have a large number of people in one place, all triggering one another through signals of fear and anger - boom. I haven't been in a crowd turned ugly myself, but people who have all describe one thing: it happens in an instant, spreading from one end of the crowd to the other. And then, people do terrible things, things they normally wouldn't, and regret afterward. Now, gases spread at about a mile per second. That would certainly fit. We have something called the VNO, the vomeronasal organ, a tiny gland located inside the hard palate, that has receptors for these chemicals. What has not yet been solved is how the VNO communicates this to the brain.
If this is true, wind and rain would dampen riots very effectively. Which they do, to my knowledge, but perhaps for more reasons than usually given.
That is an absolutely fascinating idea.
It could also be a good idea to wear nose plugs if you get involved. It won't remove all of it, but it could perhaps dampen the effect. Note that toxic levels of fear and anger pheromones would quite effectively hit the riot police too, with predictable results. Understand that we are talking about chemicals we're hardwired to detect in the very smallest concentrations for interactions with a single other human.
I should probably add that I am by no means calling anyone in particular an animal, I am saying we are ALL animals, biological individuals that today find themselves in situations we've never evolved to deal with. Typically, these biological systems are harsh, inflexible and extremely difficult to deviate from. Mob dynamics has all the hallmarks.
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I should also add that pheromones is still a scientifically gray area. We have no idea how the VNO talks to the rest of the body. It just seems odd that we would not have olfactory communication.
It could also be a good idea to wear nose plugs if you get involved. It won't remove all of it, but it could perhaps dampen the effect. Note that toxic levels of fear and anger pheromones would quite effectively hit the riot police too, with predictable results. Understand that we are talking about chemicals we're hardwired to detect in the very smallest concentrations for interactions with a single other human.
I should probably add that I am by no means calling anyone in particular an animal, I am saying we are ALL animals, biological individuals that today find themselves in situations we've never evolved to deal with. Typically, these biological systems are harsh, inflexible and extremely difficult to deviate from. Mob dynamics has all the hallmarks.
Skip nose plugs and go straight to the gas mask. That way you'll be fine when the cops start... not using gas (okay, yeah they are). :P
true.
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Looting happens every time the police are shown not to have control of an area. People react with "oh, so I can take stuff and not go to jail? Sweet!". There are always some who do it. Rioting is an effect of (and this is my theory) human pheromones at toxic levels. See, we are flock creatures, and as such, we OUGHT TO have a chemical system for signaling like other such species. Fear, anger, lust, happiness are the prime emotions we probably communicate though scent. Now, if you have a large number of people in one place, all triggering one another through signals of fear and anger - boom. I haven't been in a crowd turned ugly myself, but people who have all describe one thing: it happens in an instant, spreading from one end of the crowd to the other. And then, people do terrible things, things they normally wouldn't, and regret afterward. Now, gases spread at about a mile per second. That would certainly fit. We have something called the VNO, the vomeronasal organ, a tiny gland located inside the hard palate, that has receptors for these chemicals. What has not yet been solved is how the VNO communicates this to the brain.
If this is true, wind and rain would dampen riots very effectively. Which they do, to my knowledge, but perhaps for more reasons than usually given.
The bolded portion seems unlikely.
Sound travels at roughly 343 meters/second (depending on humidity, temperature, etc). If gases traveled at 1 mile/second that would be approximately 1600 meters/second, or over 4 times the speed of sound.
Second, different gases travel at different speeds. It's dependent on the molar mass of the gas, but for exmaple hydrogen travels faster than oxygen. The travel speed also varies depending on temperature.
Third, gases travel via diffusion. High density concentrations diffuse faster than lower density concentrations, but that speed reduces over time as the gas diffuses. This slowing is exponential as the gas becomes more diffuse.
The crowd effect of multiple sources (the people in the mob) would help boost the density, but each person would take time to register the chemicals and begin emitting them themselves.
For reference, the sulfur in human flatulence has an initial speed of 10-15 ft/second. Which is about 352 times slower than 1 mile/second. Pheromones may be harder to consciously detect, but they still have to obey the same laws of physics.
I suspect the pheromone hypothesis is at best a contributing factor, not a determinant one. There's some evidence that suggests that pheromones from one person do not have the exact same reaction on every other person.
I agree that we're still biological beings, but even without pheromones there's plenty happening in the brains of everyone in a mob. I'd guess that the pheromones are just one way of transmitting that data from one brain to another, body language, spoken language and the natural influence of being in a crowd also transmitting and amplifying the behaviors.
It's pretty well understand that being in groups influences our thoughts. The degree to which it happens and how and why might not all be clear, but it is documented in plenty of phenomena. Group think is pretty common and once an idea takes hold, it's hard to get rid of it, particularly if not challenged diligently and quickly.
Just because we smell a pheromone does not necessarily mean that it creates the same emotion in our brains. It means we can process more accurately how that person is feeling, but our response to that is going to contingent on a lot of other factors, such as our present state of mind.
As a hypothesis, I see it much more likely that pheromones act as an echo chamber for the mob. If everyone is angry, they're more likely to detect each other's anger, reinforcing their own anger. It doesn't cause it to spread as some sort of infection, but rather creates subconscious communication that happens to reinforce this one type of behavior in a crowd.
