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Silver Crusade 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Colchester

Hi All,

I was wondering if store owners/coordinators offered additional incentives for people to GM outside of what is normally offered in the PFS campaign e.g. free tea/coffee, PDFs gifted through the Paizo website, hardback books.

Secondly, is it acceptable to charge players a small fee (somewhere in the 1 - 2 GBP range) to play at a PFS table in order to cover the cost of running an event and the cost of any of these GM awards.

I am looking into coordinating our local lodge more effectively going into 2015, and encouraging more GMs to help keep games regular (which has been a problem this year) is a part of that.

Many thanks for any advice :)

Grand Lodge

As for additional incentives I'm not sure, though I can say our local FLGS provides the scenarios for us to run (so we don't have to purchase them ourselves. Also they have most if not all flip mats available for our use and a collection of mini's (though generally more used by players than GMs)

Also, they charge $2 per player to use the store and keep getting new scenarios and such. (They don't charge the GM if you want to count that as an incentive)

Silver Crusade 2/5

One of our two local stores doesn't charge anything and provides no particular incentives. The other one charges a table fee of $4, but then gives a store credit of $25 to the GM's.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

One of our stores offers a 20% discount on things bought the day you GM, but beyond that none of the stores in my area provide any incentives.

I've heard of a lot of stores that charge a small fee to use the space/table. Many also then give the GM a gift card or something.

One store in my area charges $2 per person and gives them 2 special playing cards. They give one to the GM to show that they've paid for the slot. After the game cards get turned back in and each one is $1 store credit. That gives $1/player to the GM as store credit and each game a player plays gives them $1 credit. When they do their spring Con it can really add up. It is probably my favorite "charge to play" business plan that I've seen in a store.

Silver Crusade 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Colchester

Some great food for thought.

I'll check back later to see if there are any more responses and then post a potential plan and try to get some feedback.

Sczarni 5/5 ⦵⦵

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(off-topic: what does the "F" in "FLGS" stand for?)

My first PFS spot gave GMs $1 in store credit for every player at their table. It was pretty awesome. Until the ownership changed, and the new guy instead wanted $5/table/hour.

Our current place doesn't give credit, but there's also no charge. The owner likes us because during our mid-game break half a dozen diabetic gamers swarm his food counter.

Another LGS asks that we buy something if we game there. The odd psychology of our community is that, even though we're going to buy food (at least), we don't like being told that we have to, so we generally play at the other place.

Or Denny's. Lots of games happen at Denny's.

5/5

One of our stores charges nothing, and gives GMs store credit in the amount of $1 per player at their table. Our other venues provide little additional incentive other than great free venues. Our lodge also gives out certificates when a GM earns a new star, and GMs get a few extra perks like the ability to sign up for con games earlier.

5/5

F= friendly, by the way...

Sczarni 5/5 ⦵⦵

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GM Lamplighter wrote:
F= friendly, by the way...

So, if I see HLGS, I should steer clear? Lol

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston aka Dhenn

The main venue in my area charges $2 per player, and the GM gets it as store credit. Most GMs use it to build up their mini collection, I believe. The other venue I frequent isn't actually a store, so there's no costs or explicit rewards. I believe one other charges $1/player, but I don't think that goes to GMs.

Grand Lodge 4/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Indiana—Decatur aka Kadasbrass Loreweaver

My LGS doesn't charge for tables. GMs get a free drink when GMing a table with at least 3 players. (Having GMs means more players, who in turn buy game materials and also buy drinks and snacks too).

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Denver aka roll4initiative

The norm here in Colorado is $2 per person to play which goes to a $10 gift card for the GMs. Most stores will also lend out the scenario and flip-mats.


We play in a nice quiet pub. We charge £2 GBP entry which goes towards the costs of the place. Anyone who GM's doesn't pay and the club buys them a free drink at the start of the evening.

Shadow Lodge

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When I game there, my FLGSs reward me with a nice spot to plop down, hopefully an assortment of products to purchase, and an assortment of people to hang out and bash some Chelish skulls with.

What else does anyone need? :P


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How about boons for GM's who don't attend the cons?
it really cheeses my ass to GM for essentially nothing other than the chronicle sheet when others GM at Cons and get all kinds of neat boons.
Not everyone can attend a Con...some of us have real jobs.
Treating your everyday GM's as second class citizens will drive them away.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Unklbuck wrote:

How about boons for GM's who don't attend the cons?

it really cheeses my ass to GM for essentially nothing other than the chronicle sheet when others GM at Cons and get all kinds of neat boons.
Not everyone can attend a Con...some of us have real jobs.
Treating your everyday GM's as second class citizens will drive them away.

Treat the following questions as rhetorical:

Do you have a computer?
Do you have Internet access?

Consider GMing online, using one of the many, many viable VTTs.
The online VOs hold fairly frequent online game days or conventions, and they usually are biug enough to qualify for convention support.
If you run even one table during the convention/game day, as a game day game, you have a good chance of getting one of those GM boons, in my experience.

I didn't GM for the latest event, Aethercon, but I ran for Aethercon last year, and for a couple of the online VTT Game Days; and wound up with race boons, and some other boons, since I also played, from each.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Southwest

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Unklbuck wrote:

How about boons for GM's who don't attend the cons?

it really cheeses my ass to GM for essentially nothing other than the chronicle sheet when others GM at Cons and get all kinds of neat boons.
Not everyone can attend a Con...some of us have real jobs.
Treating your everyday GM's as second class citizens will drive them away.

Perhaps instead of thinking of it as 'GMIng for nothing' you consider instead that you are paying back a debt.

A debt that you incur every time you play. A debt for all of the time you have enjoyed playing.

Without judges there would be no PFS campaign and it is most certainly unfair and unsustainable to have only a small subset of any gaming community carry the responsibility for judging.

Without the contribution to the community by the people who benefit from the community, the community whithers and dies. Everyone must pay back to the larger group in some way (which does not have to be judging). If there is someone in a community that only takes and does not give back they should be asked to seek their fun elsewhere.

So thinking of it this way you make everything PFS possible and ensuring that our hobby continues to grow.
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As a note, a convention only requires 15 tables. If you can't manage to get together 15 tables in your area there are online conventions to tide things over until your community can support a 15 table event.


Unless you go to the Cons there is very little reward for GM'ing...period.
Online GM'ing...I really have got the time or more importantly the interest to read someones online 4 page reasoning on why their Varisian bard wears yellow socks.
As far as Eric's comment on "Paying a debt"...sure people should step up and GM...and I have....but there is little incentive to do so...any Race boons, Replay kickstarters, others boons for everyday GM's?....Nope, just trudge on and have the people who have the time to go to the Cons get all the goodies.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Unklbuck wrote:

How about boons for GM's who don't attend the cons?

it really cheeses my ass to GM for essentially nothing other than the chronicle sheet when others GM at Cons and get all kinds of neat boons.
Not everyone can attend a Con...some of us have real jobs.
Treating your everyday GM's as second class citizens will drive them away.

This is incredibly insulting! I have a real job. It happens to be a regular 9-5 instead of a rotating shift on second or third shift that could go over multiple weekend days. Just because my job doesn't fluctuate like yours does not mean it isn't real.

Secondly, just like others, you could take vacation to attend a con. I do. I'd say most of the 15 days of paid vacation I get each year goes to facilitate going to a convention.

Not going to a con is often more a choice than a reality. If that's not how you want to spend your vacation that's on you.

No need to insult everyone else who does.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Unklbuck wrote:

Unless you go to the Cons there is very little reward for GM'ing...period.

Online GM'ing...I really have got the time or more importantly the interest to read someones online 4 page reasoning on why their Varisian bard wears yellow socks.
As far as Eric's comment on "Paying a debt"...sure people should step up and GM...and I have....but there is little incentive to do so...any Race boons, Replay kickstarters, others boons for everyday GM's?....Nope, just trudge on and have the people who have the time to go to the Cons get all the goodies.

So you've played so much that you have a hard time finding something to play in our region where we have between 5 and 8 game days with between 20 and 30 tables a week, but you need more incentive to pay it back for the ~1000 hours of fun you've had?

Does that ring a bit selfish?


Andy my point is that all the Cool stuff is reserved for Cons....as far as the "Real Job" comment I apologize...I'm just saying that not everyones job schedule allows them to attend.

It's just the way organized play is set up that if you want the "goodies" you have to go to the cons and if you don't / can't then you get zip, nada, nothing...

Just my 2 cents

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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The goodies at Conventions are often as incentives to make sure the convention happens. In the Twin Cities we have a very generous community that quickly volunteers for our one major convention. I wager many do so without thought of reward. Not all areas have this luxury.

Let me ask you a question. Do you get paid vacation? If so, is there a reason you couldn't use some of it for Con of the North?

Just so you know, I use two of my fifteen for Con of the North.


Andrew Christian wrote:
Unklbuck wrote:

Unless you go to the Cons there is very little reward for GM'ing...period.

Online GM'ing...I really have got the time or more importantly the interest to read someones online 4 page reasoning on why their Varisian bard wears yellow socks.
As far as Eric's comment on "Paying a debt"...sure people should step up and GM...and I have....but there is little incentive to do so...any Race boons, Replay kickstarters, others boons for everyday GM's?....Nope, just trudge on and have the people who have the time to go to the Cons get all the goodies.

So you've played so much that you have a hard time finding something to play in our region where we have between 5 and 8 game days with between 20 and 30 tables a week, but you need more incentive to pay it back for the ~1000 hours of fun you've had?

Does that ring a bit selfish?

Andy I have a lot of respect for you and what you have done for the Minneapolis PFS community.

Now as far as 5-8 game days....Hmm I have Weds-Thurs off and I get off work anywhere from 0630-1030 Weds morning so yes I can play Weds at Dreamers but I really don't have the time to prep anything for GM'ing
Now we get to Thursday...legion or FFG...either is good. The last 2 times I got there to GM there weren't enough players or people had cancelled late notice...now I'm a GM without a table and lo and behold the other tables are playing something I have already done...so I pack up my bags and go away...having spent my time and money to show up in the first place
I cannot attend any of the Sat-Sun sessions as I am working.
So as you can see I really have limited opportunities to play or GM.
Now as far as the scenarios being played...you know as well as I that we run a lot of the same scenarios over and over...this is because we do have an influx of new players which is good...it just make the older players not attend.
Now the real reason I prefer not to GM as much is because of all the min maxing uber gaming that we seem to have in our region....I just get tired of seeing the encounters trivialized by Min Max builds...as a GM I feel like I'm wasting my time and am just going thru the motions so the people can get their chronicle sheet

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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Yeah, I've addressed the late cancelation thing, and no shows. Until folks start seeing a consequence for that level of rudeness we won't see it end.

As far as running the same stuff over and over, you can request things. Ask Eric or Kitty to run organize specific things. They might not be able to accommodate immediately, but at least they know one thing you are asking for and can try to coordinate it down the road.

I know I personally try to coordinate things that havent run before or for quite awhile.

I understand you personally have a difficult schedule. And I sympathize. I really do. But you know as well as everyone else in your shoes, that we can't cater to only the odd schedules. I know that's not specifically what you are asking.

But as both a coordinator and a very prolific GM it is discouraging to do what I can for our community and only see complaints rather than solutions. I've stated some possible solutions. But I can't read your mind. I don't know what you can and cannot play.

Just know, that unlimited replay is simply not going to happen. It just won't. Asking for it, instead of exploring other solutions is literally a waste of time.

Sovereign Court

roll4initiative wrote:
The norm here in Colorado is $2 per person to play which goes to a $10 gift card for the GMs. Most stores will also lend out the scenario and flip-mats.

Additionally, (at least) two venues in Colorado offer a t-shirt which grants a reroll after one GM's 10 games at that venue.


Andy,

I just find that my playing opportunities have gone way down...I play PFS because I like the people associated with it...well most of them anyway.
I personally have passed on buying the new Paizo releases as I'm not sure that I will be able to actually use them.
I buy Paizo stuff because I play pathfinder....If my pathfinder play goes down I buy other companies products.
I just don't get a organized play setup that actively drives prolific players away.
Does 5E have an organized play setup?

Shadow Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Southwest

With unlimited replay being off the table, PFS can only support a rate of play that is less than or equal than the amount of scenarios that are being published.

If you play more in a year than the amount of scenarios that are released then you will at some point run out of play opportunities.

This is simple math and not 'actively driving prolific players away'.

Paizo is business and until it makes business sense create more play opportunities this is not going to happen. Remember, even though Paizo is run by gamers they are a business and businesses exist to make profit. Making money is what allows Paizo to make more games that we enjoy.

I completely understand the desire to play more, there are just limits to the amount of play opportunities that Paizo can offer.

If you are interested in 5E check out this link.

I am of the belief that more games leads to more gamers and that more gamers lead to more vibrant communities.

Check it out. I did and had a fun time playing it.

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32 aka Netopalis

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For many people, such as myself,GMming is its own reward. I prefer GMming to playing, and I know others who do as well. All GMs receive soft incentives in the form of good will from local organizers which allows one to request scenarios and such.

Locally, one thing that we may start doing is dedicating one table to adventures which require more than one session. GMs would get first pick of these seats, and we would organize their schedule in such a way as to make sure that they are not required to GM on those days.

In the end, though, the best way to encourage people to GM is to create a culture in which GMming is a noble and desirable pursuit. Make sure your players respect and look up to their GMs. Make sure that you recognize people who have went above and beyond in providing service to the store. Make sure that your GMs enjoy the types of scenarios that they are scheduled for. These things will drastically change the face of GM participation in a region more than any amount of store credit will.

Sovereign Court

FWIW, I have never had an easy time attending game days due to work schedule (5pm-1am Tue-Sat typically does that, or any of the other odd hours I've worked). But I always make it a point to go to a convention if I really want to. I took the weekend off last year for Gen Con. I take Presidents Day weekend off every year for the local Genghis Con. And I make sure to put in those time off requests way in advance so no one else beats me to the punch.

To say that cons are only for people with "normal" jobs completely eliminates your own power to take a day or two off to attend. Yes, it takes time and planning, and yes you may not get a paycheck for those days, but there are those of us who find it worth it. Blaming one's employ is an excuse covering some deeper reason.

Now, tomorrow we have a Game Day here which is organized as a charity event. I am taking off work and taking off time with my family to attend because it is for a cause I can truly get behind. This is before I was even told that there would be GM boons, player boons, and a raffle. Those are just little bonuses.

Also, you don't have time for one organized play setting so you'll look into another?

5/5

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Unklbuck wrote:


I just don't get a organized play setup that actively drives prolific players away.
Does 5E have an organized play setup?

Second answer first: It does, and they're pretty much copying PFS because it has been so successful.

First answer: It doesn't actively drive prolific players away. We have folks who play PFS four times a week in our Lodge (and probably more) - that is about four times the rate scenarios are released. When they run out, they either play modules, or sanctioned APs, or (hopefully) GM.

To be honest, it burns me up to see folks complain that there are no "rewards" for GMing. (Aside for awesome fun, 100% Chronicle without risk, ability to play different NPCs you could never play as a PC, being able to bring the world of Golarion to life, etc.) The reward for GMing is having a PFS lodge at all. As Eric said, every time you play you incur a debt to your lodge, one that can only be repaid by GMing.

If you see GMing as a chore, though, I highly recommend you don't do it. More than any other player at the table, an unenthusiastic GM can kill the game and drive players away. Of course, if everyone does this, your Lodge will collapse with too many players and not enough GMs... but that's not your problem, is it? (Oh, wait... I guess it is.)

Final anecdote: I have more race boons from online and play-by-post play as I do from the cons I've been to.

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Netopalis wrote:
In the end, though, the best way to encourage people to GM is to create a culture in which GMming is a noble and desirable pursuit.

This!


Sior wrote:

FWIW, I have never had an easy time attending game days due to work schedule (5pm-1am Tue-Sat typically does that, or any of the other odd hours I've worked). But I always make it a point to go to a convention if I really want to. I took the weekend off last year for Gen Con. I take Presidents Day weekend off every year for the local Genghis Con. And I make sure to put in those time off requests way in advance so no one else beats me to the punch.

To say that cons are only for people with "normal" jobs completely eliminates your own power to take a day or two off to attend. Yes, it takes time and planning, and yes you may not get a paycheck for those days, but there are those of us who find it worth it. Blaming one's employ is an excuse covering some deeper reason.

Now, tomorrow we have a Game Day here which is organized as a charity event. I am taking off work and taking off time with my family to attend because it is for a cause I can truly get behind. This is before I was even told that there would be GM boons, player boons, and a raffle. Those are just little bonuses.

Also, you don't have time for one organized play setting so you'll look into another?

Uhhh read the posts Sior...its not that I don't have time for organized play it's just during the time I have the offerings have already been played.

This means that if I want to play at a certain rate I need to switch systems and spend hundreds and potentially thousands of dollars on a non Paizo company. I have probably spent in excess of $2k on Pathfinder material over the past several years as I was playing pathfinder a lot. I have no problem spending the same for another company if they can offer me the same level of enjoyment. This is because the PFS organized play setup eventually drive away player who prefer not to GM all the time

Shadow Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Southwest

Unklbuck wrote:
This is because the PFS organized play setup eventually drive away player who prefer not to GM all the time

I feel your frustration but I am wondering how would you resolve the situation you outline Unklbuck?

Realizing that:
- replay beyond GM stars is not an option.
- the amount of scenarios released in a year is not going to change.
- conventions are going to continue to get greater support than individual games or game days because they are venues where the most new players of PFS are acquired.

What solutions can you imagine for the scenario you outline?

Have you considered that if someone only plays (takes from the community) and does not give back to the community in any way at all that perhaps it could be best for the larger community to invite that person to have their fun elsewhere? And that while uncomfortable for the people involved that this might be the best option for the larger groups continued growth?

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Frankly, that's a load of...

1) I don't want a GM who only does it for the incentives.

2) Until you start sending lists of what you can play to our area organizers, then your complaints are just a lot of hot air. If the problem persists after you send your list, then we can discuss how to rectify that.

3) Mike has indicated publically that the problem of needing more play material is being addressed. Just isn't ready to go live yet.

4) please explain your math. You say you rarely get to play because of your schedule, but you've played so many things that you've run out of things to play. Something doesn't compute here.

5) please start suggesting solutions. I'm all ears for things we can do to help you, and those in your boat. I know there are a few. But suggesting things we've been told are not going to happen, and then arguing your case and individual story isn't going to solve anything.


Unklbuck wrote:

Unless you go to the Cons there is very little reward for GM'ing...period.

Online GM'ing...I really have got the time or more importantly the interest to read someones online 4 page reasoning on why their Varisian bard wears yellow socks.
As far as Eric's comment on "Paying a debt"...sure people should step up and GM...and I have....but there is little incentive to do so...any Race boons, Replay kickstarters, others boons for everyday GM's?....Nope, just trudge on and have the people who have the time to go to the Cons get all the goodies.

This is one type of attitude that really frustrated me in the Navy. When people complain about other people getting a good deal. Just be happy for them and don't use it as an excuse to whine.

To try and drive this conversation back to the original topic... As a player I would not pay $2 to play PFS. The actual act of playing D&D has always been free and I would not pay for it. So, any suggestion that forces players to pay into a pool I would not like. I suggest this: On Pathfinder night at the store 10% of sales generated from the PFS goes into a communal pool of store/gm credit. Then, the local leaders (or maybe by vote?) choose how to distribute said pool, such as by encouraging GMs with food/drink/minis/whatever the store sells.

This way nobody is forced to do anything (a previous poster said his local group did not react well to being forced to buy food and actively avoided said store) and it creates a community atmosphere. As a consumer I get to rationalize my purchase as, "Oh, the price is basically 10% off since that money just goes right back into the community." This helps stores compete with online purchases of gaming materials. It also gives a small incentive for the PFS group to actually encourage people to buy from their local store. If a new guy comes in, "Oh and if you purchase from here tell the store you're part of the PFS and they'll give 10% to PFS which we use to purchase scenarios, minis, GM food..."

I think this creates a win-win situation. Although if it would actually work in practice by encouraging both sales and GMs is another topic.

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

A flat rolling surface and a chair that will survive the night.

What else do i need?


One venue asks $3 and counts any purchases toward that (guess how much a couple sodas/candybars run?). The GM gets a free soda.

The other venue asks for nothing. We have developed a culture that supports them by buying snacks from them each night. Most of us make purchases we could make elsewhere there as well.

As mentioned above, spending $3 is likely to happen, but asking for it means the second venue is preferred over the first (though the hours are a bigger factor in that choice :).

Shadow Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Northwest aka WalterGM

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To charge for play, or not to charge for play, that is the question.

GM perspective: I didn't need boons to start GMing, and I don't need them to keep GMing. It would be nice if I came into an FLGS to run a game and got free snacks while I was doing it. It would also be nice to GM and get a reward from Paizo (in fact I do! there is the star GM boon available for download off their website)

Player perspective: I want my GMs to be excited to run games, and if they do a good job they should be rewarded for their time. Boons are basically free for Paizo to make, so why doesn't Paizo make more of them? I don't mind paying a fee to play PFS at some stores, provided that money goes directly to the GM.

VO perspective: I want good games of PFS to happen on a regular basis. I want GMs that care about their players to run tables, and I want everyone to have a good time. I want a sustainable system that fairly rewards and showcases my best GMs and encourages others to strive to their level.

FLGS owner perspective: I would be happy to charge people to play in my store, and in turn give my GMs that much store credit. This system, and others like it, ensure a constant sale of goods when I have game days. I'm tentative to start such an operation in my store, as we have a good stable of PFS participants and I wouldn't want an initiative like this to scare them off. The projected gains do not outweigh the possible losses.

Sczarni 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Pullman aka Coraith

What I try to do is that those people who GM frequently are invited first or given priority(when a lot of interest is show) when it comes to starting APs/Modules/Special game days over those people who only ever show up to play.

Grand Lodge 3/5 ⦵⦵

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My old PFS group has gotten in the habit of doing a raffle-style give-away for GMs every couple of months that we have affectionately named Boonpocalypse. The movers and shakers will gather up their extra things, whether it's extra boons from local cons, books they don't need/want, or minis they have a ton of, and do a "One Game GMed, One Ticket Earned"-style raffle. Started because I didn't think I was going to want to make more than one weird-raced character and wanted to encourage other people to GM.

I guess if you are a player or regular GM who wants to see better rewards in a volunteer system, the best advice I can give is to do something about it. I did!

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Excellent idea, Jelloarm.

Grand Lodge 4/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Indiana—Decatur aka Kadasbrass Loreweaver

I got the chance to GM a local Con this past month and I learned from both my VC and a visiting VL that some VOs save up the GM boons they get and give them out to other GMs in their area, particularly GMs that help them out of a bind as a thank you.

I also believe I heard somewhere before of a VO requesting a boon from the powers that be to give to someone in renegotiation for them helping out with PFS. But I'm remembering something else.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

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I personally don't need any incentive to GM. The best one is good players, in my view.

I have been thinking that I should start handing out my extra boons to our local GMs that step up. I'm not using them, and it never hurts to encourage new GMs.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Agent, Illinois—DeKalb aka Mikey V

My local FLGS offers a 20% discount to all GM's on days we run scheduled PFS games. Additionally they offer a 10% to players to also give players an incentive to try society play, who may otherwise still be playing home games exclusively.

I have seen some venues charge to play but I am not a big fan of the idea. I don't want to dissuade folks who don't have an extra buck or two from playing or take money that may otherwise be spent supporting my FLGS.

Shadow Lodge

Something they did used to do that was a nice little reward was the Holiday Boons. I heard they where working on some more of those, and I loved being able to hand those out to my players.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, Texas—Houston North aka Kageki

One of our stores give 10% off to all players and gms that sit for a session, the GMs get a free drink per session. Randomly they bring in food for us to enjoy. I think our game store just loves us being there and the fact that we have 4 tables almost every session now, 2 1-5(7) and 2 5-9, looks like in January we will have 7-11s going on as well.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, Texas—Houston North aka Kageki

Walter Sheppard wrote:


FLGS owner perspective: I would be happy to charge people to play in my store, and in turn give my GMs that much store credit. This system, and others like it, ensure a constant sale of goods when I have game days. I'm tentative to start such an operation in my store, as we have a good stable of PFS participants and I wouldn't want an initiative like this to scare them off. The projected gains do not outweigh the possible losses.

When asked, we all voted on no fees. I think this is the most effective if it was not started at the beginning of the store set up. People randomly donate to the store and they in turn use the donated money to provide scenarios for the GMs, but we do not make it mandatory at all.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Unklbuck wrote:

Unless you go to the Cons there is very little reward for GM'ing...period.

Online GM'ing...I really have got the time or more importantly the interest to read someones online 4 page reasoning on why their Varisian bard wears yellow socks.
As far as Eric's comment on "Paying a debt"...sure people should step up and GM...and I have....but there is little incentive to do so...any Race boons, Replay kickstarters, others boons for everyday GM's?....Nope, just trudge on and have the people who have the time to go to the Cons get all the goodies.

All a local Con would "cost" you would be some vacation days.

GMing online can be in one of three forms:
PbP, Play by Post, which is a forum-based game session, so plenty of time, lots of RP, and it sounds like, even though it doesn't have teh same kind of time pressure other forms of GMing have, not for you.
VTT for PFS scenarios, modules, AP segments: Almost identical, these days, to regular face-to-face GMing of PFS. How much RP is involved is up to you and the players, but it is usually done using a voice client (Google Hangouts, Skype, TeamSpeak, etc.) and a VTT (Virtual Table Top, like Roll20, D20Pro, Fantasy Grounds II, MapTools, etc.) Depending on circumstances, time pressure depends on circumstances, as it can be run without concern for the "store" closing.
VTT for full APs/home games: This is where the 4 page background stories tend to come into play, but that is usually at GM request. Wish my current RotRL game had that problem, or the APs I have tried to run in the past. Best I have ever seen for that is a hand-written page of background.

But, for general PFS online GMing, it is almost identical, other than not seeing the players' faces, to tabletop PFS GMing. For the PFSOC, one of the larger accumulations of PFS online gamers, you can, with a little forewarning, easily get a game going at just about any time, day or night. My upcoming RotRL game is going to have players from the USA, GB, and China, I think.

Heck, depending on the game offered, I have seen a pick-up game online fill in about 5-10 minutes...

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kinevon wrote:
Heck, depending on the game offered, I have seen a pick-up game online fill in about 5-10 minutes...

Yup, saw that happen quite a few times in my tenure as a GM for PFSOC.

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The store that I coordinate generally charges everyone $5 for the night, but $4 of that becomes store credit. GM's don't have to pay the $5, but I think we might still be getting the store credit.

The other store I attend doesn't charge anything. But the GM's get 2 free sodas. The store's been less welcoming since D&D 5th came out, as we don't actually buy much from them.

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