Additional GM incentives at your LGS


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thistledown wrote:
The store's been less welcoming since D&D 5th came out, as we don't actually buy much from them.

I see this as a sometimes "unspoken" issue in different situations. And sometimes it's clearly voiced.

I have personally spent very little money at any game store I've played at, besides some snacks and drinks. Most of the minis I've bought have been from another store altogether.

In some locations, PFS is a good revenue generator for the stores. In others not so much. We generally don't compete with Magic or Pokemon in sheer dollars, just because of the nature of TCG's.

I'm also not in the position to treat the store as a charity and spend more on an item than I would elsewhere. $1 for a candy bar or can of soda is perfectly reasonable, but for hardbacks I can usually get them at a 40% discount online.

I'm not looking for extra rewards to GM. But when a payer offers to buy me a drink, I never turn it down. And I never turn down free scenarios. I don't like having to PAY to GM, basically.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Northwest aka WalterGM

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I noticed the same thing from participants at my FLGS for the most part, Derek. There are a handful of regulars that will buy the latest splatbook from me, or grab a hardback they are missing if I have it in stock, but for the most part my collection of Pathfinder books are more of an attraction than anything else. They certainly don't rake in the kind of profit that my Magic singles do.

But that isn't really a problem for me.

Having a well stocked Pathfinder area, along with a free-to-play no pressure environment for my players encourages people to come into the store on a regular basis. Once they're here, spending one or two nights a week playing games, they'll inevitably be back to buy birthday and holiday presents here, or I'll rope them into picking up a board game or some miniatures.

I have the space to host PFS, so why shouldn't I? No one is spearheading a DND Next adventure game in my area, so Pathfinder Society is the only game in town (no pun intended).

I look at my overstock of Pathfinder goods and my hosting of PFS as more of a weekly advertisement for the store than anything else.

We had two brand new people roll up characters for last nights game day, and one of them purchased a CRB and a mini the day before. That sale wouldn't have happened if I wasn't also selling the person on being able to play at my store for free twice a week.

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At my store, we've never had any "additional" incentives to GM aside from GM credit, gaining stars, and local acclaim for doing a good job. Sometimes I'll give my GMs a soda or two if they're stepping up, but for the most part I feel it's also up to the players to reward good GMing. I have handled many transactions where players are purchasing food and drink for their GMs, which is a super cool thing to do.

Scarab Sages 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

Sior wrote:
roll4initiative wrote:
The norm here in Colorado is $2 per person to play which goes to a $10 gift card for the GMs. Most stores will also lend out the scenario and flip-mats.
Additionally, (at least) two venues in Colorado offer a t-shirt which grants a reroll after one GM's 10 games at that venue.

One other thing a few of the organizers do here in Colorado is allow people to sign up to play one game early for each one they sign up to GM. It should be noted that we do advanced signups almost exclusively around these parts.


kinevon wrote:


All a local Con would "cost" you would be some vacation days.

I personally GM because I enjoy both it and the feeling of giving back, and am in no way jealous or envious of those who get boons for attending the big cons (although I also wouldn't be averse to other lottery methods or something to expand boons beyond cons).

However I do just want to address this point (not made by Kinevon alone, I just chose to use his quote), but it really is an oversimplification to suggest having holiday days means you can attend a con. You are not taking into account financial issues which may be associated with travel, nor how flexible employers are wrt to holidays (eg my current employer does not allow holidays during Dec-Jan period), and finally you assume that Pathfinder takes priority for Holidays, people with families might have to dedicated 99% (if not 100%) of their holiday days to family holidays.

Again I don't agree that the world is a horrible unfair place because not everyone can attend a con, but I also don't think we should reduce the counter argument to "you have holidays so go".

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Its a choice between priorities. It is frustrating to those of us who prioritize conventions and use our personal resources for such (sometimes its at significant sacrifice), only to hear those who do have the wherewithall be unwilling to make a lesser sacrifice.

It is all about choice. True, in some cases the idea of choice is illusion, but I find it hard to believe that all but the smallest percentage couldn't find a way to take 1 or 2 days of vacation and save up $30 for admittance throughout the year. Hotel costs can be lessened by driving in every day or by sharing a room with others.

Refusing to save a couple hundred dollars and a couple vacation days throughout the year, or refusing to share a room for distaste purposes are, in most cases, purely choice.


Andrew Christian wrote:

Its a choice between priorities. It is frustrating to those of us who prioritize conventions and use our personal resources for such (sometimes its at significant sacrifice), only to hear those who do have the wherewithall be unwilling to make a lesser sacrifice.

It is all about choice. True, in some cases the idea of choice is illusion, but I find it hard to believe that all but the smallest percentage couldn't find a way to take 1 or 2 days of vacation and save up $30 for admittance throughout the year. Hotel costs can be lessened by driving in every day or by sharing a room with others.

Refusing to save a couple hundred dollars and a couple vacation days throughout the year, or refusing to share a room for distaste purposes are, in most cases, purely choice.

I'm equally sure it is frustrating for those who try and game as much as they can but when it comes down to the wire they choose to spend their vacations with family hear those of you who are willing to sacrifice such things tell them that they just aren't willing to make the sacrifice. True or not, it definitely oversimplifies things. And again I don't say this to suggest that those who do make the sacrifice are any worse (or better) merely that people should look at it from all angles.

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Unklbuck wrote:

How about boons for GM's who don't attend the cons?

it really cheeses my ass to GM for essentially nothing other than the chronicle sheet when others GM at Cons and get all kinds of neat boons.
Not everyone can attend a Con...some of us have real jobs.
Treating your everyday GM's as second class citizens will drive them away.

Keep in mind that GMs who go to cons are typically paying for meals, travel costs, and many cons don't even offer room space for GMs. Trust me on this, the GM boons themselves aren't such tremendous awesomesauce that I'd put myself through this for the boons alone.

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Russ Brown wrote:
Sior wrote:
roll4initiative wrote:
The norm here in Colorado is $2 per person to play which goes to a $10 gift card for the GMs. Most stores will also lend out the scenario and flip-mats.
Additionally, (at least) two venues in Colorado offer a t-shirt which grants a reroll after one GM's 10 games at that venue.
One other thing a few of the organizers do here in Colorado is allow people to sign up to play one game early for each one they sign up to GM. It should be noted that we do advanced signups almost exclusively around these parts.

I keep forgetting that because it's not something I am able to take advantage of usually. Priorities keep me to one game day a month, in which I typically end up GMing both slots, hahaha.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

CathalFM wrote:
kinevon wrote:


All a local Con would "cost" you would be some vacation days.

I personally GM because I enjoy both it and the feeling of giving back, and am in no way jealous or envious of those who get boons for attending the big cons (although I also wouldn't be averse to other lottery methods or something to expand boons beyond cons).

However I do just want to address this point (not made by Kinevon alone, I just chose to use his quote), but it really is an oversimplification to suggest having holiday days means you can attend a con. You are not taking into account financial issues which may be associated with travel, nor how flexible employers are wrt to holidays (eg my current employer does not allow holidays during Dec-Jan period), and finally you assume that Pathfinder takes priority for Holidays, people with families might have to dedicated 99% (if not 100%) of their holiday days to family holidays.

Again I don't agree that the world is a horrible unfair place because not everyone can attend a con, but I also don't think we should reduce the counter argument to "you have holidays so go".

And, really, what are the travel costs for a local con?

The boons are not available just to the "big" cons. All you need to qualify for boons for a convention is 15 tables. That is 5 tables a day, for a 3 day convention. Even with only 3 game slots, that is 2 sets of two tables, plus a single table in the third slot, each day.

Note, also, that Mike has also made it clear that he is willing to work with areas which would have problems coming up with even this small a requirement, in order to help the smaller event out.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

kinevon wrote:
Note, also, that Mike has also made it clear that he is willing to work with areas which would have problems coming up with even this small a requirement, in order to help the smaller event out.

And this showcases the importance of the reporting system.

It will make your case a lot stronger if you can show a steady community of stable players that can make a gameday happen. Even if it doesn't break the 15 table requirement, if you can show that your players will support such an effort, it will give Mike that much more reason to make allowances for you.

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I tend to think of things differently -- what can I do to help ensure we have a place to play? From cleaning up after ourselves to throwing the store a little cash, I do what I can to encourage stores to invite us back.


There are four local game stores around me which run PFS at least once a month, I assume if one started charging or having minimum orders everyone would just stay away from that game store and go to the other three.

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Fred Strauss wrote:
There are four local game stores around me which run PFS at least once a month, I assume if one started charging or having minimum orders everyone would just stay away from that game store and go to the other three.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I'm relatively new on the PFS scene here. Only been doing this since... September 2012. So little over 2 years. Everywhere I have seen, there has always been a $2 entry fee. New places start doing PFS and typically mimic this scheme. It is not mandated by our VO's or anything, just that's the way of it.

Now, for an exception. Last year, a new game store opened. They started running PFS. They did not charge $2. No one showed up. Pretty much ever. I was there one time when a game got going. The rest were washes. Eventually, it stopped.

I'm not saying it was the only aspect which caused the failure. It also wasn't publicized overly well and the store wasn't the most involved.

Point is, the players aren't always going to go where the games are free just because it's free.

Though I'd wager some GM's would find the incentive of gift certificates for every table run a little enticing.

Scarab Sages 5/5 Venture-Captain, Netherlands aka Woran

Andrew Christian wrote:

Its a choice between priorities. It is frustrating to those of us who prioritize conventions and use our personal resources for such (sometimes its at significant sacrifice), only to hear those who do have the wherewithall be unwilling to make a lesser sacrifice.

It is all about choice. True, in some cases the idea of choice is illusion, but I find it hard to believe that all but the smallest percentage couldn't find a way to take 1 or 2 days of vacation and save up $30 for admittance throughout the year. Hotel costs can be lessened by driving in every day or by sharing a room with others.

Refusing to save a couple hundred dollars and a couple vacation days throughout the year, or refusing to share a room for distaste purposes are, in most cases, purely choice.

Do please remember that not all of us here live in the continental united states.

One day I'll save up a couple of thousands to buy a plane ticket to fly over the atlantic and attend a Con.
Not for the boons, but because for us over in Europe, we have nothing that compares, and I really want to experience something that massive.

5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Online aka Magabeus

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Note, also, that Mike has also made it clear that he is willing to work with areas which would have problems coming up with even this small a requirement, in order to help the smaller event out.

And this showcases the importance of the reporting system.

It will make your case a lot stronger if you can show a steady community of stable players that can make a gameday happen. Even if it doesn't break the 15 table requirement, if you can show that your players will support such an effort, it will give Mike that much more reason to make allowances for you.

I can attest to that: last Sunday we ran the Legacy of the Stonelords special in the Netherlands: 8 tables and slightly over 40 players. The support from Paizo was amazing!

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

Due to competition for table space with easily demonstrable revenue generators such as MTG, Heroclix & Warhammer tournaments, we have had to suggest to our local FLGSs that they charge a $2.00 per player, per slot, table fee so that they are more willing to accommodate us. All of them comp GMs on the table fee or dropped the $2.00 charge if the player spends $20.00 or more at the store the day of the game. Two of them offer discounts to PFS participants during game days. One of them also offers an additional discount to GMs. That same one sometimes comps snacks or player table fees for organizers. They also open an hour earlier once a month to accommodate our once a month double-slot session so that it doesn't impact their evening tournaments.

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