Hey,
Again a new idea...
I did premium playmats,
Ultra pro brought mouse pads.
We created standups for gameplay,
Paizo provides standups called PF pawns.
I designed a huge game play mat w 8 locations
Ultra Pro brought it also...
We started to sleeve our cards,
Ultra Pro released new PACG sleeves.
Hawkmoon slipped pasteups in the sleeves,
Now paizo will bring errata cards.
BrokenToken provides box insert,
Now ultra pro starts also to cover this...
Everybody bought a special dice set as the provided ones are not enough,
Will PAIZO sell an official dice set for PACG (official colour choice, number of dices recommended)??????
D4
D6
D8
D10
D12
Which colour of each is official?
How many d4 do you recommend?
Lets standardize gameplay worldwide...
What do you think?
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I purchased 6 dice of each type, and had each of the siz the same color, but different from each other die type. That sounds confusing, but imagine 6 orange for d4, 6 blue for d6, etc.
It has worked out well for non RPG players who are learning the dice, just remind them to grab the green ones when they need to throw d8s.
It was hard to build this set, would love to find a company that made sets in this manner instead of the standard 7 die set all the same color.
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My buddy and I did the exact same thing.
We ordered the same color dice for a specific die. We set aside the original dice that came with the game. I had started to use a set of random dice I bought cheap for organized play but it was a lot quicker to use my own dice.
"Okay, you need a red and a green and a yellow. There. You're plus 3, now roll high."
(There are a few sites out there that let you order single dice. Also, Chessex allows you to do so as well.)
My idea is that PAIZO provides a die set.
As there are 5 different dices, they define one official colour for d4, one official colour for d6, etc.
So there is some standard for game play... And they also define how many d4 do you need.
And they will sell this dice set then ... Official PACG dice set. $$$
So when I roll e.g. 3 green, 1 blue and one red die and i will add 3 here in Germany, then you know in US which dice i rolled.This will be also a standard for Organized Play. So the die colours are defined when you play at home and when you play OP. So,no confusion anymore (at home green is d4 and at OP green is d12).
1) Would you buy this official dice set ?
ONE MORE IDEA, if an official colour system for the dice is introduced... You may create a new single die (probably d6) which shows on each side one of the official die colours...
So you can randomly pick one die (d4,d6,d8, d10,d12)... This would be cool for the play cards: roll your dexterity die + d8 + colour die for your attack. So the colour die will then add one more random die... This will offer more variation for your check !!!
AND will definetly be very cool the the official PACG card "Luck stone" ...
2) what do you think about such an official dice system and colour die?
It was hard to build this set, would love to find a company that made sets in this manner instead of the standard 7 die set all the same color.
Consider this set:
http://www.eaieducation.com/Product/531346/Polyhedra_Dice_-_Set_of_150.aspx|
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My idea is that PAIZO provides a die set.
They do provide a set of dice. If you've read the boards prior to the release of S&S, you'd know that Paizo went to extra lengths to get a set of dice with a d10 that went from 1-10 not 1-0.
As there are 5 different dices, they define one official colour for d4, one official colour for d6, etc.
So there is some standard for game play... And they also define how many d4 do you need.
Why would they provide an "official" color to each die? They provide dice already. One set. If you want to purchase more then you can. A few of us have already come up with a solution which leads me to the next ...
And they will sell this dice set then ... Official PACG dice set. $$$
Paizo is not in the dice business. There are plenty of companies that are out there that are. Chessex and Q-Workshop are a couple. You are constantly thinking that an idea is simply money. But profit comes from being able to capitalize on ideas. They have with PACG but not because of dice but because they have a product to sell. They (Paizo) include a set of dice with the base set.
So when I roll e.g. 3 green, 1 blue and one red die and i will add 3 here in Germany, then you know in US which dice i rolled.This will be also a standard for Organized Play. So the die colours are defined when you play at home and when you play OP. So,no confusion anymore (at home green is d4 and at OP green is d12).
1) Would you buy this official dice set ?
Here's the problem with this idea. First, it puts Paizo in the dice business which they've never been. They've partnered with Q-Workshop for official dice sets for the Adventure Paths. Great. I've bought a couple and I've bought extra dice when I've gone to GenCon because they don't sell singles.
Second, how do you know how many dice you need? It changes as you play the game. We've (my friend and I) come up with the base of five of each die. But now that I'm playing Organized play, people tend to grab a few die for themselves to roll. So I'm getting more dice. You can't know how many dice you're going to need. Which means you need to buy them in singles.
Space concerns. In the box, they (Paizo) need to be concerned with the space needed for their product and the expansions. That's why one single set of dice is optimal.
ONE MORE IDEA, if an official colour system for the dice is introduced... You may create a new single die (probably d6) which shows on each side one of the official die colours...
So you can randomly pick one die (d4,d6,d8, d10,d12)... This would be cool for the play cards: roll your dexterity die + d8 + colour die for your attack. So the colour die will then add one more random die... This will offer more variation for your check !!!
AND will definetly be very cool the the official PACG card "Luck stone" ...2) what do you think about such an official dice system and colour die?
WHAT?!? Now you're messing with mechanics again for absolutely no reason. You're #2 is very silly. And not needed.
Again, you're very enthusiastic about your idea but I think if you'd look around, there are other solutions out there that will fit EXACTLY what you need. And you haven't introduced an idea what would be profitable for Paizo, again.
I mentioned that they've partnered with Q-Workshop for AP based dice. If you came up with the idea of different colored set of dice with a PACG themed design that were optional ... not "official" ... but optional then maybe people would buy them. But they'd need to be offered as a set and as singles.
Ok. Then "optional" dice set which is available in the Paizo store which means that it is an official accessiory. I dont care if Qworkshop or chessex or ultra pro :-) produce the dice.
There is a official colour code! And they are available in the paizo store.
Paizo defines the colour of each dice type, e.g.
D4 green
D6 blue
D8 yellow
D10 grey
D12 orange.
ONE set of dice consists of ONE of EACH type mentioned above... So one set is 5 dice (d4,d6,d8,d10,d12) You can order 4 sets for your home game play and some more sets for organized play.
BIG advantage of my idea is that
1) eveybody knows the dice colour, NO confusion
2) for OP you dont need to buy more dice as may be someone else also has a few sets with the SAME colour code... Easy!
3) paizo may introduce a new mechanic based on the colour codes of the dice...
4) $$$$ more for Paizo, production by other company, but sales thru paizo store (same business model as for playmats and sleeves OR upcoming miniatures=ultra pro & wizkids).
5) you can order as many sets as you require...
What do you think?
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What do you think?
1) One of the reasons a few of us have settled on common color die is to ease the confusion so I'm with you on that one. (Especially when teaching the game!)
2) Leave OP out of this. I don't think you understand the idea that the object is for the player to only have to purchase a single class deck if they wish. It's probably better if the facilitator provides dice. Plus if a player brings his own dice which match the ones used, how do you tell the difference ... people are superstitious about dice. Bad idea.3) REALLY BAD IDEA! You don't need new mechanics based on color of dice. You introduce new mechanics and then the dice become required and that is not a good idea.
4) I'm not sure how much Paizo makes on dice but the business model isn't great for them since they don't produce them. It isn't a money maker. Now if Paizo and Q-Workshop get together and create a specially designed dice set with the different colors, maybe that would work.
5) Yes, you can order more.
The problem with your idea is that without creating special (optional) dice, there are already dice out there. I would prefer to purchase the same exact dice with the same colors for each die as cheap as I can get them. So while I have invested in the card game as well as the individual play mats and the large play mat and the card sleeves, if Paizo is just selling colored dice, I'll probably go to the cheapest source for them. Get it?
Got it. You do not need to design and create new dice. Paizo can just use existing dice from a cooperating dice manufacturer and create a set of 5 dice as described above.
With selling a set of 5 dice (officially sanctioned by paizo)... You may be also have some minor price reduction effect on these. So you will get the set cheaper than buying single dice. Get it?
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3) paizo may introduce a new mechanic based on the colour codes of the dice...
Stormrune writes, that is a bad idea as they are not optional anymore (no accessoiry) and they are required.
Lets then answer his feedback with a new idea:
Paizo sells the dice sets as described above PLUS adds some new PACG cards which are based on the colour codes. It is like with the wizkids miniatures where one boon card for each miniature will be included. Lets introduce "optionally"
- a die set of 5 dice as described above (colour coded)
- a colour die (d6 with the different die colours) & some PACG cards utilizing the colour codes, advanced luck stone, etc.
Then it is the same as the optional.wizkids miniatures... You can use these or not...
IMO this is a GREAT idea!!! I would love to buy several of the die sets and one colour die together with the optional card pack with colour codes involved (new cards: weapons, items, blessings, etc.) cOOl CooL COOL!!!!
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A miniature is something unique that Paizo can provide, so there is already reason to get them besides the card. There is absolutely nothing unique about your dice that would warrant buying them, so now you're adding cards that are the only special thing about buying the product. At that point, you might as well just sell special cards by themselves. Having any gameplay aspect to the dice is going to do nothing but anger many customers and players, no matter how you do it.
Card or not, these dice will not sell well at all. You will always be able to get the same product cheaper somewhere else when you make them special PACG dice.
You will always be able to get the same product cheaper somewhere else when you make them special PACG dice.
NO newly designed special PACG dice, but only some official colour code...
Paizo also could link to Qworkshop store such asD4 die .. Is green ... Link here
D6 die ... Is blue ... Link here
Etc.
When they dont want to sell these die sets in their store...
So everything is about the official COLOUR CODE!
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Got it. You do not need to design and create new dice. Paizo can just use existing dice from a cooperating dice manufacturer and create a set of 5 dice as described above.
With selling a set of 5 dice (officially sanctioned by paizo)... You may be also have some minor price reduction effect on these. So you will get the set cheaper than buying single dice. Get it?
Sadly, you're still not understanding. Paizo does not sell dice. Q-Workshop licenses the Adventure Paths, etc. from Paizo and creates these sets of dice. And if you notice, they're $12.00 per set.
The cost of individual solid dice is about $.50 per die. 5 die is going to run you about $2.50. (Yes, I know I haven't mentioned shipping on either.)
And since Paizo doesn't make the dice, only sells them, there isn't a price break.
So if you aren't going to create a new set of designer dice, it won't be cheaper to resell a previous set.
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3) paizo may introduce a new mechanic based on the colour codes of the dice...
Stormrune writes, that is a bad idea as they are not optional anymore (no accessoiry) and they are required.
Lets then answer his feedback with a new idea:
Paizo sells the dice sets as described above PLUS adds some new PACG cards which are based on the colour codes. It is like with the wizkids miniatures where one boon card for each miniature will be included. Lets introduce "optionally"
- a die set of 5 dice as described above (colour coded)
- a colour die (d6 with the different die colours) & some PACG cards utilizing the colour codes, advanced luck stone, etc.Then it is the same as the optional.wizkids miniatures... You can use these or not...
IMO this is a GREAT idea!!! I would love to buy several of the die sets and one colour die together with the optional card pack with colour codes involved (new cards: weapons, items, blessings, etc.) cOOl CooL COOL!!!!
Except that the miniatures don't introduce any new mechanics. The new cards are like Promo cards already in place. Your new color dice change the mechanics of dice rolling. That's the bad part. And you're not understanding that.
At that point, you might as well just sell special cards by themselves.
When there is a official colour code... They may introduce a colour die (d6) which chooses a random die according to the colour code. The special cards provided with the colour die are linked to the PACG colour code. So as a package "colour die and special cards" wont be so expensive.... I would call it 'luck expansion" - a tiny expansion. So the card "luck gem" could read like "discard to add one die according to the coloured die roll to your check".
Are you lucky enough?
Except that the miniatures don't introduce any new mechanics. The new cards are like Promo cards already in place. Your new color dice change the mechanics of dice rolling. That's the bad part. And you're not understanding that.
3) paizo may introduce a new mechanic based on the colour codes of the dice...
Stormrune writes, that is a bad idea as they are not optional anymore (no accessoiry) and they are required.
Lets then answer his feedback with a new idea:
Paizo sells the dice sets as described above PLUS adds some new PACG cards which are based on the colour codes. It is like with the wizkids miniatures where one boon card for each miniature will be included. Lets introduce "optionally"
- a die set of 5 dice as described above (colour coded)
- a colour die (d6 with the different die colours) & some PACG cards utilizing the colour codes, advanced luck stone, etc.Then it is the same as the optional.wizkids miniatures... You can use these or not...
IMO this is a GREAT idea!!! I would love to buy several of the die sets and one colour die together with the optional card pack with colour codes involved (new cards: weapons, items, blessings, etc.) cOOl CooL COOL!!!!
They do not change the mechanics of dice rolling... It just introduces a lucky die... Namely the coloured die which determines the dice being eg. Added to a check. There is no change, but an expansion for "luck" cards.
Got it. You do not need to design and create new dice. Paizo can just use existing dice from a cooperating dice manufacturer and create a set of 5 dice as described above.
With selling a set of 5 dice (officially sanctioned by paizo)... You may be also have some minor price reduction effect on these. So you will get the set cheaper than buying single dice. Get it?
Sadly, you're still not understanding. Paizo does not sell dice. Q-Workshop licenses the Adventure Paths, etc. from Paizo and creates these sets of dice. And if you notice, they're $12.00 per set.
The cost of individual solid dice is about $.50 per die. 5 die is going to run you about $2.50. (Yes, I know I haven't mentioned shipping on either.)
And since Paizo doesn't make the dice, only sells them, there isn't a price break.
So if you aren't going to create a new set of designer dice, it won't be cheaper to resell a previous set.
The dice for 12 usd you linked are not the PACG dice... These are completely different...
Qworkshop provided the dice in the base set. So same dice but colour coded...
Okay, got to abandon this thread as well.
Instead of trying to come up with an idea that would not mess with the game yet be a source of income for Paizo, your final idea is an official color code for dice, color die and special cards that mess with the game mechanics.
At least introduce a official colour code.... This is not interfering with anything.
There is someone very conservative ;-) about the "luck expansion"...
ThreeEyedSloth is right - RPG players are very superstitious when it comes to dice (one of my players has a reputation for rolling horribly bad every game now). I try to unbias myself as much as possible when it comes to this, since I know streaky things are part of randomness.
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Making a dice accessory for the card game is a challenge to begin with. What's the idea configuration of dice in such a set? Ask 20 people, get 20 answers.
And it's even more complicated because we're adding the d20 to Wrath (and only Wrath), meaning if we offered a set with no d20, it wouldn't be complete if you're playing Wrath, and if we offered a set with 1 or more d20s, and you're *not* playing Wrath, we'd be making you pay for dice you're not actually using in the game that you thought you were buying them for...
Fortunately, there are more than 800 different dice and dice sets available right here at paizo.com, so I'm confident that you can find options that suit your desires!
Dice accessorry sounds cool. Paizo already provides a dice set in its base set.
Why not introduce colour coded dice there. Everybody who is not willing to buy the optional dice set will get it automatically (with NO surcharge!) with the purchase of the base sets. After a few base sets you will have enough colour coded dice to play with.
Players who immediately want to get more official colour coded dice can buy them at paizo. The gamers who want to use their own dice, why not, but after a few base set purchases they also will have enough colour coded dice avaialable.
The blue dice that came with RotR - I never used. They are all blue. No colour code :-(
So it is a waste of money to include single couloured dice in the base set.
It is time to start colour coding with WotR!
(PS: as somebody wrote in prior message: d8 and d10 are hard to distinguish for non-hardcore RPG players. So Paizo is interested to make each base set beginner friendly :-), especially for Organized Play gamers - great idea IMO )
I am sure it would cost Paizo money to 'colour code' the dice in the base set and this would either cut into their profits or need to be made up by the consumer...The blue dice that came with the base set is not 'a waste of money'...dice are needed for the game so they are included...I just threw them in my dice bag with my other assorted dice I have...I use them quite often for this and the RPG...
If the dice are blue, red or grey doesnt make any cost difference. Dice are dice. Colour is colour.
You threw them in your dice bag ... That says everything.... :-) not used for game play as they are not colour coded ;-)
PS1: If you want to achieve greatness then dont ask for permission.
PS2: Innovations are habit breakers - get the dice coloured ;-)
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Actually, color is not color, and there is a cost difference. Asking for 10,000 dice of one color is cheaper than asking for 2,000 dice in 5 different colors (12,000 / 6 colors when you add the d20, Vic mentioned all the problems that causes).
You assume they get thrown into a dice bag because they are not color coded. If they were, they'd more likely simply never leave their packaging. Most people likely prefer matched sets of dice, not random colors.
You seem to be taking your own thoughts on the subject and assuming everyone feels the same way as you, despite the majority saying otherwise.
Also, color coding dice isn't remotely close to innovation no matter what you do with them.
When you look on BGG at RotR in the images section:
What you gonna see?
Colour coded dice !!!
Very hot ranked image...
Thats all what is there to say.
I already bought my colour coded set and I enjoy it. I just want to share my joy with you and at the same time improve PACG for beginner players.
When they would be colour coded, you would find faster e.g. the same d8 in your dice bag ;-) .... Colour coding is there a big advantage :-)
Maybe the new d20 for WotR ... Has a different colour besides the standard dice... We will see... But the d20 is easy recognizable... We will see when WotR comes out if there is colour coding or not.
See this post and the one after. And on a related but slightly different note, this one.
Ok. I see the cost factor for colour coded dice in the base set box.
However, could you offer as a PACG accessory an official colour coded set of dice (one d4, d6,d8,d10,d12). For playing PACG you need 4 to 5 times this set.
As you already have over 800 dice sets in the paizo store, you could introduce a official colour coded set based on the ones you already have in stock.
This should be no problem.
Whoever likes to play and own the official colour coded dice is ready to purchase them as accessory...
I think this could be realizible... What is your opinion, Vic?
I ordered my colour dice set through ebay. Somebody was selling colour coded dice sets for PACG. He said it was a good business as he sold plenty of sets.
Now he sold all his dice sets. For new gamers who are buying online, would order the base set plus several dice sets from one source, the paizo store. Several items, one order, one time shipping costs.
To make it easier for beginners you could set up a coloured dice set in the PACG accessory folder....
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Chessex sells singles.
Also, mtgfanatic.com also sells singles.
They don't sell official colors but the dice seem to work right.