Occultist Implements


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Paizo Employee Lead Designer

Hey there all,

I am starting this thread for one specific purpose, to discuss what occultist implements might be missing. For example, right now Divination uses crystal ball, goggles, harrow deck, headband, and lenses. What else might be added to that list?

Please keep this on topic. Here is the format for your responses...

Divination Implements: tea cup, finger bones.
Evocation Implements: prism

Lets leave all other discussion to other threads.

Thanks

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer


Conjuration Implements: Firearms, Grimoire, Ring
Divination Implement: Mirror
Evocation Implement: Ranged weapon, glove/gauntlet
Illusion Implements: Cloak
Necromancy Implement: Coin
Transmutation Implements: Watch


@Jason - slightly related - will there be Elemental school (air/earth/fire/water) and Focused Arcane School (admixture, banishment, controller) option/implements? I know the Focused Arcane Schools nest inside their parent Schools, but still...


Some quick ideas:
Divination: Pendulum, Mirror, blindfold, an "Y" rod, books, coins, pipe, scrolls.
Enchantment: Cloak, vest, mask, jewelry.
Evocation: powder gun.
Illusion: mirror, figurines, painting.
Necromancy: Shovel and scythe.
Transmutation: Costume, mask, leather armor.

Sovereign Court

Conjuration Implement: Hat


Illusion Implements: Mirror
Transmutation Implements: Flask (mutagen?)

Dark Archive

Conjuration: Robes ("Nothing up my sleeves...")


Abjuration: book, candle (bell is already listed)
Transmutation: potion or alchemical item

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Divination Implements: Dowsing rod


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Abjuration Implements: bracers, helmet
Conjuration Implements: bowl, cauldron, grimoire
Divination Implements: bones, book, coins, dice, dowsing rod, map, pendulum, scroll
Enchantment Implements: glass eye, lamen
Evocation Implements: bullroarer, gauntlet, lantern, weapon
Illusion Implements: bottle of water, lantern
Necromancy Implements: bag of grave dirt, bottle of alcohol, spirit planchette, teeth
Transmutation Implements: clay, glove, figurine, tool (chisel, hammer, saw)


Evocation Implements: Flint & Steel, Oil, (musical) Horn
Abjuration Implements: Stick of Chalk
Divination Implements: Tobacco Pipe
Transmutation Implements: Sand Dial
Conjuration Implements: Figurine(s)
Enchantment Implements: Bag of Sand
Illusion Implements: Lense (different Colors)

Shadow Lodge

abjuration: bracers
illusion: scarf, veil
evocation: orb, tome
enchantment: pendulum (hypnotism)


Conjuration or possibly Enchantment: Chime
Abjuration: Dreamcatcher
Divination: Horoscope, Pendulum (already mentioned, but seconded), Phrenology Calipers
Abjuration or Necromancy: Mortar and Pestle
Various: How about associating certain types of minerals or gemstones with the various schools? Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge can give some suggestions as to what would be good thematic fits.

I was going to suggest an Athame, but I'm not sure a) what school it would be best associated with, or b) if it is considered more closely connected to the Witch class than the Occultist.


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Likewise the Mortar and Pestle, but I'm not sure which school they best fit (perhaps Abjuration or possibly Necromancy?)

Various: How about associating certain types of minerals or gemstones with the various schools? Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge can give some suggestions as to what would be good thematic fits.

I'd associate Mortar and Pestle to transmutation because of alchemy.

As for gems; onyx would be necromancy (animate dead), while diamonds would be conjuration (raise dead), and ruby is evocation (fireball).

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I'll definitely have some repeats of previous ideas, no doubt. Also, some items fit nicely into multiple categories.

Abjuration: chalk, holy symbol, incense, prayer beads, silver
Conjuration: bottle, candle, paintbrush, tin
Divination: book, brazier, hourglass, star map, third eye
Enchantment: copper, marionette, music box, musical instrument
Evocation: book, gauntlet, gloves, iron, orb, weapon
Illusion: cloak, hat, quicksilver, paintbrush, veil, wand
Necromancy: doll/poppet, lead, shovel, sickle, spirit board/planchette
Transmutation: broomstick, flask, gold, hourglass

I'd also like to see a quill somehow implemented (hyuck!), but I wouldn't know where to place it. Conjuration, perhaps?


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Mikael Sebag wrote:
I'd also like to see a quill somehow implemented (hyuck!), but I wouldn't know where to place it. Conjuration, perhaps?

I'd go for divination and/or illusion, myself. Either for writing as a conveyor of knowledge, or writing as a creator of fiction.


Divination: Yarrow stalks (one of the oldest divination tools, form the i-Ching)
Aburation or Conjuration: Quill (used for writing contracts, of course!)
Transformation: Empty cocoon or insect husk
Illusion: Smoking pipe


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Evocation and/or Abjuration: Vajra

Divination: Mandala Thangka


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Divination: Telescope/spy glass
Evocation: Torch
Abjuration: Umbrella
Illusion: Sword cane


Considering the question of technological items from Numeria.

Would a laser or other energy blasting item be considered an Evocation implement?

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Clearly you need to add armor spikes as a necromancy implement. ;-P


Conjuration implement: scabbard or quiver (summons weapons or ammo, perhaps scaling from normal to special maaterials to elemental or aligned energies)

Transmutaion implement: scabbard and quiver (change or enhance weapons/ammo in a similar way to the conjured items)


Runes or sigils could be awesome


A container of any kind could be a possible conjuration implement...a water skin that can conjure water could be handy for example.

Zwordsman: I did suggest that as an alternate to common implements I think. Have a rune for each sub school or the like, though that would probably be an archetype.


I would like to see "alternate" lists based on other cultures. A Native American or Taoist or Hindu- inspired list would be really cool. Sadly I'm not familiar enough with the importance of specific things from these cultures, so I don't have specific recommendations.


Abjuration: Chalk, Mirror, Salt

Conjuration: Circles (People holding hands, drawn, arranged)
Calling: Armor, Clothing
Creation: Jewelry, Scales, Smoke
Healing: Smoke, Song
Summoning: Diagrams within a circle
Teleportation: Blanket, Cape, Cloak

Divination: Animal Remains, Food Remains, Pendulum, Writing Implements
Scrying: Blindfold, Crystal Ball

Enchantment: Herbs, Jewelry
Charm: Dolls, Figurines, Pantomime

Evocation: Pointing Stick, Weapons

Illusion: Pantomime
Figment: Lens
Glamer: Feather, Hat, Scarf
Pattern: Prism
Phantasm: Drawing, Painting
Shadow: Candle, Lantern, Torch

Necromancy: Coins, Dice, Dishes, Paint

Transmutation: Trade Tools, Scales
Polymorph: Mask, Paint


Divination: Entrails

This might draw the ire of animal rights activists, but there is quite a lot of historical context for it both in the real world and in literature.


A book as a possible DIVINATION implement: Imagine the pages turning and the words highlighting to answer questions...


Conjuration: Cauldron

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Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
Conjuration: Cauldron

Eh, Cauldron works better for Necromancy.


I was thinking as far as: pour in eldritch ingredients, stir, boil and bam! Mystic back-up from a far away plane. But I see your point for sure.


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Imbicatus wrote:
Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
Conjuration: Cauldron
Eh, Cauldron works better for Necromancy.

I'd say there's some precedence for conjuration too. Necromancy probably has a place, though this would be less dubious if 3.5 hadn't shuffled all the healing and resurrection type spells over to conjuration instead of properly keeping them as necromancy spells. And if you liked Asterix and Obelix, transmutation also seems a possibility...

Shadow Lodge

What about new implement groups that aren't tied to a specific school. Maybe a technology group.

Shadow Lodge

Thieve's tools as a divination implement could give trapfinding as a resonant power.


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I see dice as a divination thing myself.


Abjuration: Key (Hold Portal, Arcane Lock, etc)
Illusion: Musical Instrument
Evocation: Torch, Lantern, Candle (Evocation [Light]?)

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