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pummeling style wrote: As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch. Make a number of rolls equal to the number of attacks you can make with a full attack or a flurry of blows (your choice) with the normal attack bonus for each attack. For each roll that is a hit, you deal the normal amount of damage, adding it to any damage the attack has already dealt from previous rolls (if any). If any of the attack rolls are critical threats, make one confirmation roll for the entire attack at your highest base attack bonus. If it succeeds, the entire attack is a confirmed critical hit. You can only use Pummeling Style with unarmed strikes (see errata at right) pummeling Charge wrote: When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action Janni Rush wrote: While using Janni Style, you are always considered to have a running start when jumping. Further, if you jump as part of a charge and make an unarmed strike against the designated opponent, a hit allows you to roll the unarmed strike’s damage dice twice and add the results together before adding modifiers (such as from Strength) or extra dice (such as precision-based damage or dice from weapon abilities). The extra damage dice are not multiplied on a successful critical hit. If a second level Brawler second level MoMS Monk were to have both of these style active and were to attack with a Pummeling charge would they stack to do 4d6 damage between the two attacks?
Doesn't stack from my reading
Pummeling charge modifies the charge action
Janni Style modifies the charge action
in general when two abilities try and modify the same action they don't stack you need to choose.
not a great example but in the same vein that vital strike and spring attack don't stack even though it seems like they should.
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I don't see why both cannot be applied.
This is absolutely nothing like Vital Strike and Spring Attack.
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My read is by RAW they stack
At most, I think only one attack does extra Janni Rush damage, because it says "an unarmed strike" and "the unarmed strike". That does not seem to allow Janni Rush to apply to multiple attacks on the same charge.
The reason vital strike and spring attack don't work are because both of them are separate standard actions.
These are both the same action being modified by two separate things.
RumpinRufus wrote: At most, I think only one attack does extra Janni Rush damage, because it says "an unarmed strike" and "the unarmed strike". That does not seem to allow Janni Rush to apply to multiple attacks on the same charge. It's either all or nothing. There's only 1 attack from pummeling charge.
RAW it stacks.
Quote: a hit allows you to roll the unarmed strike’s damage dice twice and add the results together before adding modifiers Order assuming you have 1d8 unarmed damage.
1) You charge with both styles active
2) You roll pummeling and hit 3 times for 1d8+X each
3) To get the damage roll you add 1d8+x 1d8+x and 1d8+x before rolling
4) Janni rush checks the damage of your single charge attack unarmed strike and sees 3d8.
5) Total damage to roll isis 6d8+X+X+X
RumpinRufus wrote: At most, I think only one attack does extra Janni Rush damage, because it says "an unarmed strike" and "the unarmed strike". That does not seem to allow Janni Rush to apply to multiple attacks on the same charge. That's the thing about pummling style it is all technically one attack which is why it is considered broken to fuse it with Dragon style since you'll get double your str mod to damage on all your attacks by RAW
Will Pratt wrote: RumpinRufus wrote: At most, I think only one attack does extra Janni Rush damage, because it says "an unarmed strike" and "the unarmed strike". That does not seem to allow Janni Rush to apply to multiple attacks on the same charge. That's the thing about pummling style it is all technically one attack which is why it is considered broken to fuse it with Dragon style since you'll get double your str mod to damage on all your attacks by RAW It's really no more broken than overhanded chop. Which is to say not very.
this reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;)
Phasics wrote: this reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;) There's only 1 attack. Janni rush either doesn't work at all or it works.
I would say Janni Rush double the unarmed strike dice damage for only the first damage roll, not all damage rolls in the Pummeling Strike.
But other than that, it would work fine.
I think the real problem here is that Pummeling Strike needs a rewrite because it's not super clear how it's meant to actually function. I mean, you still have to make an attack roll for each part of the damage of this "single" strike....I can't even. It's just confusing to me.
Pummeling Style now reads "You can only use Pummeling Style with unarmed strikes", not "You can only use Pummeling Style with an unarmed strike."
Quote: I mean, you still have to make an attack roll for each part of the damage of this "single" strike....I can't even. It's just confusing to me. Am I the only one who sees this as reverse manyshot? Because that's largely how it functions. Instead of 1 to hit for multiple damage sources it's multiple to hits for a single damage source.
Undone wrote: Phasics wrote: this reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;) There's only 1 attack. Janni rush either doesn't work at all or it works. THIS reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;)
Phasics wrote: Undone wrote: Phasics wrote: this reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;) There's only 1 attack. Janni rush either doesn't work at all or it works. THIS reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;) And it turns out they all did work until they "FAQ'ed" It in effect errataing it since there are many clear examples of stats stacking. They still refuse to correct the antipaladin and graveknight they put out in a book within DAYS of the "FAQ" which was really errata.
different interpretations...
yes, it is one attack
but with many rolls and
the damage is not the damage of the attack, instead it is:
Quote: For each roll that is a hit, you deal the normal amount of damage, adding it to any damage the attack has already dealt from previous rolls (if any). so my interpetation is that you resolve it as you would have resolved a full attack.
so if you get something like "+2to attack on the first attack" then that applies only to the first attack roll
similary, if you get something like "+2to damage on the first attack" then that applies only to the first roll
and etc
so, going by that AND the lance pounce faq, i think it's pretty similar so in my games only the first "roll" gets double dices.
having it to apply to all is basically ragelancepounce which got faqed away, only this time with unarmed
If the above was the case then it would get DR multiple times and would not get dragon style charge bonuses.
Undone wrote: If the above was the case then it would get DR multiple times and would not get dragon style charge bonuses. DR is applied when damage is applied.
damage is applied AFTER you total the damage rolls
also for dragon totem it's the first attack x2 the rest x1.5, that's the way i do it at least, not all attacks x2
shroudb wrote: Undone wrote: If the above was the case then it would get DR multiple times and would not get dragon style charge bonuses. DR is applied when damage is applied.
damage is applied AFTER you total the damage rolls
also for dragon totem it's the first attack x2 the rest x1.5, that's the way i do it at least, not all attacks x2 Upon closer inspection you're still wrong but Janni rush has different wording.
Quote: Further, you can add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the damage roll for your first unarmed strike on a given round. There is only 1 unarmed strike. It gets the bonus damage for all rolls because it's phrased as first unarmed strike.
While janni rush has slightly different wording I'm still fairly sure pummeling style checks at the end when it's checking damage to pool.
Undone wrote: shroudb wrote: Undone wrote: If the above was the case then it would get DR multiple times and would not get dragon style charge bonuses. DR is applied when damage is applied.
damage is applied AFTER you total the damage rolls
also for dragon totem it's the first attack x2 the rest x1.5, that's the way i do it at least, not all attacks x2 Upon closer inspection you're still wrong but Janni rush has different wording.
Quote: Further, you can add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the damage roll for your first unarmed strike on a given round. There is only 1 unarmed strike. It gets the bonus damage for all rolls because it's phrased as first unarmed strike.
While janni rush has slightly different wording I'm still fairly sure pummeling style checks at the end when it's checking damage to pool. i was talking about dragon ferocity, not dragon style's 1st feat
Quote: While using Dragon Style, you gain a bonus on unarmed strike damage rolls equal to half your Strength bonus. with ferocity you deal 2x on first roll and 1.5x on subsequent that's what i meant
FAQ Quote: While using Dragon Style, increase your Strength bonus on unarmed strike damage rolls by an additional one-half your Strength bonus, to a total of twice your Strength bonus on the first attack and 1-1/2 your Strength bonus on the other attacks There is only 1 attack.
Undone wrote: Phasics wrote: Undone wrote: Phasics wrote: this reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;) There's only 1 attack. Janni rush either doesn't work at all or it works. THIS reminds me of another thread about differing interpretations ;) And it turns out they all did work until they "FAQ'ed" It in effect errataing it since there are many clear examples of stats stacking. They still refuse to correct the antipaladin and graveknight they put out in a book within DAYS of the "FAQ" which was really errata. THIS REMINDS me of another thread about differing interpretations ;)
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