Dimensional Savant and Outflank

[ZanThrax]

Dimensional Savant wrote:

Benefit: While using the Dimensional Dervish feat, you provide flanking from all squares you attack from. Flanking starts from the moment you make an attack until the start of your next turn. You can effectively flank with yourself and with multiple allies when using this feat.

Outflank wrote:

Benefit: Whenever you and an ally who also has this feat are flanking the same creature, your flanking bonus on attack rolls increases to +4. In addition, whenever you score a critical hit against the flanked creature, it provokes an attack of opportunity from your ally.

So, if I'm flanking with myself, and I'm my own ally (except when it makes no sense), then I should be able to use Outflank all by myself when bamf-ing around the battlefield, no?

[Tarantula]

I'd say yes. Nice combo.

[Volvogg]

ZanThrax wrote:

Dimensional Savant wrote:

Benefit: While using the Dimensional Dervish feat, you provide flanking from all squares you attack from. Flanking starts from the moment you make an attack until the start of your next turn. You can effectively flank with yourself and with multiple allies when using this feat.

Outflank wrote:

Benefit: Whenever you and an ally who also has this feat are flanking the same creature, your flanking bonus on attack rolls increases to +4. In addition, whenever you score a critical hit against the flanked creature, it provokes an attack of opportunity from your ally.

So, if I'm flanking with myself, and I'm my own ally (except when it makes no sense), then I should be able to use Outflank all by myself when bamf-ing around the battlefield, no?

Ironically I just got done building a slayer /fighter /shadowknight which takes advantage of this feat. As far as I am concerned this does work. Please see below for relevant details:

FAQ/Errata wrote:

Do you count as your own ally?

You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

[Source]

Just in case here is the link. I know that it says "... or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible" but Dimensional Savant specifically states "you can effectively flank with yourself ... ".

Cheers
Volf

[Claxon]

I'm not sure if I'd allow you to get an AoO from a critical hit, but I'd allow the +4 for flanking instead of the +2.

The way I see it your attack makes a temporary opening that your ally can use to make an attack. But if it's your attack that made the opening I'm not convinced you can use it to make an AoO.

I am however open to seeing evidence to support the contrary, but I think I would put this under the "makes no sense or impossible" clause. Though others will likely disagree with me.

[Volvogg]

This is a great combo ... especially when wielding a keen two-handed weapon and power attacking! The extra attacks from critical hits are made of win.

[Tarantula]

Claxon wrote:

I'm not sure if I'd allow you to get an AoO from a critical hit, but I'd allow the +4 for flanking instead of the +2.

The way I see it your attack makes a temporary opening that your ally can use to make an attack. But if it's your attack that made the opening I'm not convinced you can use it to make an AoO.

I am however open to seeing evidence to support the contrary, but I think I would put this under the "makes no sense or impossible" clause. Though others will likely disagree with me.

You only provide flanking with yourself while using dimensional dervish. Using dimensional dervish is a full-attack action with abundant step or dimension door. Because you are literally teleporting around to various sides of the creature, it makes sense that you could make the creature have defensive opening on the other side of it, and then teleport to that other side and stab it there.

Evidence

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

Yep, this is absolutely legit RAW. Works great for Monks too... but it just has to wait until level 12, and then it requires a lot of feat retraining.

[Neonpeekaboo]

ok.. now i want to make this character.

[Pioch]

Has there been updates or more information on this question? I have a magus that has dimensional savant and I would like to use Outflank. I'm looking for supporting evidence that would allow my character to use Outflank.