I'm questioning myself. The Lookout ally card's first power says...
Reveal this card to add 1d6 to any Perception check.
I've been restricting this to only the character who is holding the Lookout ally card in his hand as it doesn't say "any character's check." But it was brought up in guild play last night so I'm looking at it again.
Find Traps uses the words "any check to defeat a barrier" and I'm pretty sure it can be played on other character's checks.
Going by the "Do what a card says..." guideline I'm beginning to think the Lookout should apply to any Perception check and that I've been using it wrong.
Thoughts appreciated.
I'd say to works for any perception check made by any character at any location. There are no limits on the card about whose check it is or where they are.
I'd say to works for any perception check made by any character at any location. There are no limits on the card about whose check it is or where they are.Scenario: Jirella needs to make a WISDOM/PERCEPTION 7 check to defeat a barrier. Jirella's Wisdom die is 1d8+1, but does not have Perception. I can't reveal my Lookout to help (since it's a Wisdom check). Jirella could have choose to make a Perception check at 1d4 in which case the Lookout could have helped.
Correct?
Mostly...if you had a d8+1 for your base wisdom skill, that +1 would apply to your subskill (perception) as well...so it would be d4+1 rather than straight d4 (plus the bonus for the lookout being played).
Mostly...if you had a d8+1 for your base wisdom skill, that +1 would apply to your subskill (perception) as well...so it would be d4+1 rather than straight d4 (plus the bonus for the lookout being played).I'd say to works for any perception check made by any character at any location. There are no limits on the card about whose check it is or where they are.Scenario: Jirella needs to make a WISDOM/PERCEPTION 7 check to defeat a barrier. Jirella's Wisdom die is 1d8+1, but does not have Perception. I can't reveal my Lookout to help (since it's a Wisdom check). Jirella could have choose to make a Perception check at 1d4 in which case the Lookout could have helped.
Correct?
Actually, you wouldn't get the +1, because in the card game there are no subskills, and there are no assumed relationships between any two skill.
Jirelle has a Wisdom skill of d8 plus any modifiers. Her Wisdom die is d8. Jirelle does not have Perception. So her Wisdom does not relate to her Perception in anyway. So, if Jirelle put a +1 skill feat into her Wisdom, her Wisdom skill is now d8+1. Her Perception skill would remain d4. She would not get the Wisdom modifier if making a Perception check.
If Jirelle needed to make a Wisdom or Perception 7 check, she could choose Wisdom and roll 1d8 +1. Or she could choose Perception and play the Lookout and roll 1d4 + 1d6.
I can't reveal my Lookout to help (since it's a Wisdom check).
Just to be super clear and exact, it isn't because its a Wisdom check, so much as it is because it is NOT a Perception check. When Jirelle makes a Wisdom check, she can't also be making a Perception check. She chooses which skill she will attempt the check with. Jirelle can use a d4 Perception, but that Perception doesn't relate to her Wisdom.
Lirianne on the other hand, is making a Wisdom check when she makes a Perception check because her Perception skill refers to her Wisdom skill. So when making a Perception check she can play the Lookout. But she is also making a Wisdom check and can play a Blessing of Milani to add 2 dice to her non-combat Wisdom check.
Mostly...if you had a d8+1 for your base wisdom skill, that +1 would apply to your subskill (perception) as well...so it would be d4+1 rather than straight d4 (plus the bonus for the lookout being played).I'd say to works for any perception check made by any character at any location. There are no limits on the card about whose check it is or where they are.Scenario: Jirella needs to make a WISDOM/PERCEPTION 7 check to defeat a barrier. Jirella's Wisdom die is 1d8+1, but does not have Perception. I can't reveal my Lookout to help (since it's a Wisdom check). Jirella could have choose to make a Perception check at 1d4 in which case the Lookout could have helped.
Correct?
Actually, you wouldn't get the +1, because in the card game there are no subskills, and there are no assumed relationships between any two skill.
Jirelle has a Wisdom skill of d8 plus any modifiers. Her Wisdom die is d8. Jirelle does not have Perception. So her Wisdom does not relate to her Perception in anyway. So, if Jirelle put a +1 skill feat into her Wisdom, her Wisdom skill is now d8+1. Her Perception skill would remain d4. She would not get the Wisdom modifier if making a Perception check.
If Jirelle needed to make a Wisdom or Perception 7 check, she could choose Wisdom and roll 1d8 +1. Or she could choose Perception and play the Lookout and roll 1d4 + 1d6.
I can't reveal my Lookout to help (since it's a Wisdom check).Just to be super clear and exact, it isn't because its a Wisdom check, so much as it is because it is NOT a Perception check. When Jirelle makes a Wisdom check, she can't also be making a Perception check. She chooses which skill she will attempt the check with. Jirelle can use a d4 Perception, but that Perception doesn't relate to her Wisdom.
Lirianne on the other hand, is making a Wisdom check when she...
Huh...just goes to show too much RPG not enough card game experience at it yet. Still used to thinking skills get based on set stats (unless stated otherwise) rather than separate entities like that.
Thanks Hawkmoon.
Huh...just goes to show too much RPG not enough card game experience at it yet. Still used to thinking skills get based on set stats (unless stated otherwise) rather than separate entities like that.
Yeah, the problem with that line of thinking in the card game is that some characters have or gain subskills that are associated with primary stats that aren't the typical stat used. There is a character in the Fighter Class Deck that has Craft based on Strength. Alahazra can gain Perception and Survival based on Charisma. Jirelle can gain Craft based on Charisma. Etc. Remembering examples like these helps me remember the flat d4 rule for "untrained" skills and that you should just never think of there being "typical stats" for subskills.
It helps to remember that in the card game, there are no stats. Only skills and dice.
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Jirelle can get Diplomacy (and Craft) with a Power feat, at Charisma +3. If I subsequently use a Skill feat to give her +1 to Charisma, does that boost trickle down to Diplomacy/Craft? Or is it only based on what her Charisma was at the time of purchase?Actually, you wouldn't get the +1, because in the card game there are no subskills, and there are no assumed relationships between any two skill.
Jirelle has a Wisdom skill of d8 plus any modifiers. Her Wisdom die is d8. Jirelle does not have Perception. So her Wisdom does not relate to her Perception in anyway. So, if Jirelle put a +1 skill feat into her Wisdom, her Wisdom skill is now d8+1. Her Perception skill would remain d4. She would not get the Wisdom modifier if making a Perception check.
Yes, any pluses you add to the base skill like Charisma or Wisdom trickles down to subskills like Diplomacy and Perception.
If you are Diplomacy: Charisma +2 and your base die is d10 and with a Skill Feat reward you add +1 to Charisma, your Diplomacy roll would be d10 + 1 + 2.
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If you are Diplomacy: Charisma +2 and your base die is d10 and with a Skill Feat reward you add +1 to Charisma, your Diplomacy roll would be d10 + 1 + 2.
But what if it's 1 + 2 + 2 + 1?
Mostly...if you had a d8+1 for your base wisdom skill, that +1 would apply to your subskill (perception) as well...so it would be d4+1 rather than straight d4 (plus the bonus for the lookout being played).
As stated above, this is false. I give you the easiest way I have to remember it and remind it to others:
ARCANE is Charisma + something for most sorcerers
ARCANE is Intelligence + something for most wizards
So definitively this is not a subskill (else it would always be subskill of the same skill), but rather a synergy skill (from the old days definition).
And if a character doesn't have an explicit synergy, then she has the base 1d4 in that skill.
And regarding stats, think of them as skills like any others with the only exception that you have the opportunity to win skill feats (+1s) on them.
Mostly...if you had a d8+1 for your base wisdom skill, that +1 would apply to your subskill (perception) as well...so it would be d4+1 rather than straight d4 (plus the bonus for the lookout being played).As stated above, this is false. I give you the easiest way I have to remember it and remind it to others:
ARCANE is Charisma + something for most sorcerers
ARCANE is Intelligence + something for most wizards
So definitively this is not a subskill (else it would always be subskill of the same skill), but rather a synergy skill (from the old days definition).
And if a character doesn't have an explicit synergy, then she has the base 1d4 in that skill.And regarding stats, think of them as skills like any others with the only exception that you have the opportunity to win skill feats (+1s) on them.
Before anyone else needs to add...yes, I was wrong. I understand. Thank you.