Don't even get me started about Utopia. I left a fortune behind last time I was there
I do not see this as any worse than the chinatown, litle havana, or jewish only neighborhoods here in america. If anything it might be a hair better as they built it from nothing on private land rather than using dirty tricks to make sure only the right kind of people move into an established neighborhood.
If they're on private land and just doing their own thing with no governmental help, then more power to them. I greatly doubt they are missed back home.
Exactly, now if the government was helping them do this it would be a whole different game
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If they're on private land and just doing their own thing with no governmental help, then more power to them. I greatly doubt they are missed back home.Exactly, now if the government was helping them do this it would be a whole different game
So as tax payers their taxes should be redistributed to other poorer folk elsewhere? Or should their taxes be spent locally?
This is how we get those scifi megatowers with bright crystal spires with shanty towns outside the walls. They flock to the free light like moths.
If they're on private land and just doing their own thing with no governmental help, then more power to them. I greatly doubt they are missed back home.Exactly, now if the government was helping them do this it would be a whole different gameSo as tax payers their taxes should be redistributed to other poorer folk elsewhere? Or should their taxes be spent locally?
This is how we get those scifi megatowers with bright crystal spires with shanty towns outside the walls. They flock to the free light like moths.
Well they should be taxed as any other private property and the tax money used as any other. Not sure how land is split up in africa but the equivalent of a township or county should tax them normally i say
I do not see this as any worse than the chinatown, litle havana, or jewish only neighborhoods here in america. If anything it might be a hair better as they built it from nothing on private land rather than using dirty tricks to make sure only the right kind of people move into an established neighborhood.
I'd need more information both about South African law and about what they're actually doing.
In US law, for example, it's fairly well established that private owners -- for example, the landlords of an apartment building or the commitee of a condominium building -- have broad but not limitless discretion in who they choose to rent/sell to. You can opt not to rent to a tuba player, because you think he'd disturb the neighbors, but if you opt not to rent to a black man because he's black or to a Jew because he's Jewish, that is literally a federal case and very bad stuff will happen to you.
I would want to know more about what (they think) "Afrikaner" means. If it's a racial term, then the statement "We believe it’s necessary for people to have a place maybe a town or a small city where Afrikaners can be a majority" would be illegal. (The fact that the article later defines Afrikaner as "the ethnic group mainly descended from Dutch immigrants" sounds like it is.)
So, they made a white ghetto that's located way the hell out in the desert. Failing to see how that's different from any number of trailer parks in West Virginia, except they have less snow and a lot less greenery.
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The article specifically mentions that this isn't about race.
Yeah. I would give more credence to that statement if I hadn't heard of the concept of "lying."
The article specifically mentions that this isn't about race.Yeah. I would give more credence to that statement if I hadn't heard of the concept of "lying."Now, now... They may not be lying. They may honestly believe that it's not about keeping the icky black folk out but that it's about promoting the wonders of afrikaners culture. Which, to be honest, seems to involve getting your ass kicked by the British Empire and treating native africans... poorly.
Anyway, we call those sorts of people deluded, not liars.
Yes, there are at least three possibilities, and two of those are bad. But I'm not willing at this point to grant "deluded," as I'm too familiar with outright lying.
The article specifically mentions that this isn't about race.Yeah. I would give more credence to that statement if I hadn't heard of the concept of "lying."Now, now... They may not be lying. They may honestly believe that it's not about keeping the icky black folk out but that it's about promoting the wonders of afrikaners culture. Which, to be honest, seems to involve getting your ass kicked by the British Empire and treating native africans... poorly.
Anyway, we call those sorts of people deluded, not liars.
Is that any different to American history- Genocide, Slavery Segregation, manifest destiny, and so on.
I am a descendent of the Boers I suggest you read their history, Boer/Afrikaans are culturally distinct and like the US do not have a spotless record.
While I understand the need to preserve their language culture, history, and the memory of their struggle. Exclusiveness will not help it grow or preserve it in the long term.
Is that any different to American history- Genocide, Slavery Segregation, manifest destiny, and so on.Now, now... They may not be lying. They may honestly believe that it's not about keeping the icky black folk out but that it's about promoting the wonders of afrikaners culture. Which, to be honest, seems to involve getting your ass kicked by the British Empire and treating native africans... poorly.
Anyway, we call those sorts of people deluded, not liars.
Yeah. American history mostly happened in the Northern Hemisphere.
If this were a group of people in the US attempting to preserve "Confederate culture" through the establishment of a special town where white Southerners would be "a majority" and had a chance to practice "self-determination," most Americans would be appalled.... and there's a fair sporting chance that the Justice Department would already have shut them down. (In fact, that's something that's more-or-less currently being tried in Leith, North Dakota, and the locals themselves are appalled and trying to stop it.)
This article talks about them keeping out people with criminal records because they don't have a police force or jail or other services to deal with them, but not all criminals come neatly labeled ahead of time. What will they do when the inevitable crime occurs? Or when someone they didn't expect to needs those social services they don't have?
They'll piggyback ["mooch"] off the provincial government or whatever the hell they call it in SA. That's actually a major issue in many different countries and jurisdictions -- small towns that can't afford a police department of their own expect the state police to come when someone holds up the liquor store or has a seizure in the street.