Most Rediculous Shuffling Ever


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Just wanted to share a completely improbable event that happened last night at our PACG OP night.

WesWagner, Xebeche, our VL, his wife and I were playing Nature's Wrath. We built the locations as normal, shuffled them as normal, and began play. We proceeded to draw barriers 8 straight times. On the ninth draw we drew a monster (there were no more barriers in that location) and then we drew 3 more barriers in a row as we went around the table. Growing increasingly suspicious of somehow all of us incorrectly remembering shuffling when we did not we peeked at a couple of locations and found that indeed the locations were randomized, and we somehow shuffled 11 barriers to the top of the deck.

I am curious if anyone who is good at math and has access to the location breakdowns of that scenario can calculate the odds of that happening.

It was downright uncanny...

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The odds? That's not the odds, that demonicly bad juju.

It could be worse... I'll never forget when my brother and I were running two d4 Wisdom characters and explored the Siren 6 times straight on the last location.

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I hate the Siren so much, so so much.


We've definitely had instances where the first card of, like, four out of six locations is a henchman or villain and you start wondering if you're cursed, and we've definitely encounter Whalebone Plik like 5-6 times in a row when he's one of two cards left in the deck, but nothing on your level, Nog. I really enjoy being a part of that sort of weird, improbable stuff, like when both Enchanters or both Sirens somehow end up in the same location. If that'd happened to us I think I'd be thrilled just by the sheer absurdity of it.

(plus I like turning over barriers way more than I do monsters, and S&S has delivered that in spades).


I once got distracted mid-way through set-up and built locations containing all the boons and henchmen, but no ordinary monsters or barriers.

Took us quite a while to figure out that it wasn't just really lucky shuffling...

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When we play and we have to reshuffle after not defeating a monster, or the villain escapes, I'm not allowed to do the shuffling. The monster (or villain) will ALWAYS end up on the top of the location deck if I do it. (And this is with me shuffling thoroughly and in front of everyone.


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After I shuffle a location deck, I almost always roll a d10 (or smaller if I am reshuffling a deck) to determine where to "cut" the deck. That way i can blame it on the dice, not my terrible shuffling / cutting.

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Just your terrible die rolling.


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First World Bard wrote:
After I shuffle a location deck, I almost always roll a d10 (or smaller if I am reshuffling a deck) to determine where to "cut" the deck. That way i can blame it on the dice, not my terrible shuffling / cutting.

We had to do something like this last night when we faced Whalebone Pilk in the last open location with just one other card. Shuffling 2 cards is challenging when you really, really want to have them ordered a certain way. So shuffle under the table and then roll 1-3 change the order, 4-6 don't.

Still faced him 3 times like this where he was the top card of two ...


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Andrew L Klein wrote:
Just your terrible die rolling.

My terrible die rolling is a matter of public record. It is almost always brought out when my girlfriend starts says something along the lines of "You only fail that check if you roll two 1s."

On a more amusing / less unfortunate note, the other week my girlfriend and I were deciding what game to play one evening. I grabbed a d12 and said "Odds, we play the DC Deckbuilding game, Evens we play PACG". She replied "You're stacking things in DC's favor, since you're probably going to roll a 1." I proceeded to roll a 1, and she cracked up laughing.

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Noone ever rolls 4 1s on 4 d20...

Unless someone tells them it would never happen. I don't believe in things like that actually making a difference, but I am alone that way in my group. Once in a while I'll say things like that just to scare them. "Should we play this blessing on you?" "No, I'm fine. I have 4 d12 + 2d6 + 1d8 + 6 to get 19, there's no way I could ever roll that low."

Then you hear a boom as every single other person at the wooden table starts knocking on it like their lives depended on it.

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"it's a million-to-one chance, but it might just work!" -most discworld novels-

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If you ever have a million-to-one chance, you can always bet good money that you're the one.


I just stumbled on this thread. If the cards are not sleeved, it's highly likely that the villain/henchman will end up near the top of the stack due to the difference in sizes of the cards. It's only a mm or two, but that's enough to skew the shuffles quite a bit, particularly for a riffle or overhand shuffle. Holding the cards by the sides instead of the ends is a little better.

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