What happens if an effect tells you to shuffle a card into a location deck, or reshuffle a location deck, when a task barrier is face up on that location deck?
I think you are supposed to shuffle all the cards in question except the task barrier and put the task barrier back face up on the location deck after shuffling, but I think it's never explicitly said.
You are correct, it stays faceup on top after the rest of the deck is shuffled. There is a section in the rules about faceup cards.
RULES: FACEUP CARDS
Sometimes a card is left faceup on the top of the location deck (for example, most barriers with the Task trait work this way). The card is still in the deck, but it can only be shuffled into the deck when the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been resolved. If such a card tells you that you must encounter it on your first exploration on a turn, then after that exploration, ignore it for the purpose of additional explorations that turn; however, it still counts as the top card of the deck for any other purpose. If multiple cards are left faceup on the same deck, you may place them in any order and encounter them in that order.
Yes, I read that section, and it implies what you said, but it doesn't really say it explicitly. It says that the card doesn't get shuffled in as long a it's defeated, but that shuffling could be interpreted to mean just the shuffling of undefeated banes back into the deck.
Hmm...I read it a little stronger than that. The "only" thing that can shuffle it back in is resolving the the condition. So it is exempt from other shuffling. But you're saying it would be nice if it said, "If you are required to shuffle the location deck while a card is faceup, set the faceup card aside while you shuffle the deck, then place it back on top." Is that it?
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"It can only be shuffled into the deck when the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been resolved."
Therefore, if that condition has not been resolved, it cannot be shuffled into the deck.
(Technically, it ought to read "It can be shuffled into the deck only when the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been resolved." Not errata-worthy, but we'll make that change for the future.)
Thanks for clearing that up!
Maybe a silly question but what happens if there are lets say three faceup cards I have to encounter as my first exploration? I know, I can arrange them in any order but do I have to encounter them all as my first explore?
Maybe a silly question but what happens if there are lets say three faceup cards I have to encounter as my first exploration? I know, I can arrange them in any order but do I have to encounter them all as my first explore?
Task Card A: "I'm first!" Task Card B : "No, I'm first!" Task Card C: "Ha! I'm first!" IN CHORUS: "We're all first!"
Maybe a silly question but what happens if there are lets say three faceup cards I have to encounter as my first exploration? I know, I can arrange them in any order but do I have to encounter them all as my first explore?
My thought is that when you first explore, you'll choose one of the cards and deal with it. If you explore again, you'll choose one of the remaining cards and deal with it. If you explore again, you'll deal with the last card. Any explores after that will be dealing with the top non-face-up card of the location deck.
I believe the intent is that you have to deal with the face up cards on separate explorations before you can deal with the rest of the location deck.
The rules only mention your first exploration, and that you encounter them in that order, but if you encountered them all during the single exploration, it would probably cause a new set of issues. What would happen if one of them caused you to move to a different location; would you still have to encounter the others?
That being said, Mike or Vic might pop in to say that you do, in fact, have to encounter them all at once in the order of your choice with your first exploration.
Rule sidebar for reference:
RULES: FACEUP CARDS
Sometimes a card is left faceup on the top of the location deck (for
example, most barriers with the Task trait work this way). The card
is still in the deck, but it can only be shuffled into the deck when
the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been
resolved. If such a card tells you that you must encounter it on your
first exploration on a turn, then after that exploration, ignore it for
the purpose of additional explorations that turn; however, it still
counts as the top card of the deck for any other purpose. If multiple
cards are left faceup on the same deck, you may place them in any
order and encounter them in that order.
I think I'd agree with Firedale. If you have multiple faceup barriers that all say you must encounter them as your first exploration, you get to choose which one you encounter first. Then if you explore again, choose one of the other remaining faceup barriers. Repeat as long as you want to keep exploring or until you've explored all the faceup barriers. Then you can start exploring the rest of the location deck.
I think I'd agree with Firedale. If you have multiple faceup barriers that all say you must encounter them as your first exploration, you get to choose which one you encounter first. Then if you explore again, choose one of the other remaining faceup barriers. Repeat as long as you want to keep exploring or until you've explored all the faceup barriers. Then you can start exploring the rest of the location deck.
Well, this would be the logic way to handle this (imo) on the other hand this would go against the "cards do what they say"-rule...
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If there are specific rules about a situation, like the one about multiple faceup cards, then you should follow them. Not every card can be the "first exploration" so the rule is there to state you can choose which one to encounter first then proceed to the next faceup card as the next exploration, and so on.
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(Technically, it ought to read "It can be shuffled into the deck only when the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been resolved." Not errata-worthy, but we'll make that change for the future.)
Hi Vic,
If you are planning on rewording that in the future, you may think of this other nice fun case:There is a location (don't remember which one, let's call it A) that has as a closing requirement to shuffle a boon from your deck in an open location.
I encountered the villain in location B and asked my friend in A to temporay close A. She chose to shuffle her boon in location A... and for 1 sec we wondered if the villain should be shuffled too...
Obviously that would make no sense but by a strict reading of the rules it is said nowhere I believe that the card you are encountering is temporary "out" of the location deck or in any way "safe" from reshuffling of the deck.
I love this game and not this Mike is gonna kill me if I keep opening cans of worms...
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(Technically, it ought to read "It can be shuffled into the deck only when the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been resolved." Not errata-worthy, but we'll make that change for the future.)Hi Vic,
If you are planning on rewording that in the future, you may think of this other nice fun case:There is a location (don't remember which one, let's call it A) that has as a closing requirement to shuffle a boon from your deck in an open location.
I encountered the villain in location B and asked my friend in A to temporay close A. She chose to shuffle her boon in location A... and for 1 sec we wondered if the villain should be shuffled too...
Obviously that would make no sense but by a strict reading of the rules it is said nowhere I believe that the card you are encountering is temporary "out" of the location deck or in any way "safe" from reshuffling of the deck.I love this game and not this Mike is gonna kill me if I keep opening cans of worms...
The rules that keep that from happening are the ones that say when you explore, you flip the top card face up. That card is now one of the cards covered by the face-up rules.
In your case, exploring and encountering the card are what have caused its condition to be face-up, and until it's done being dealt with, it cannot be shuffled back in unless something else says specifically otherwise.
...In your case, exploring and encountering the card are what have caused its condition to be face-up, and until it's done being dealt with, it cannot be shuffled back in unless something else says specifically otherwise.
Agreed that does the trick. I just think since it's a situation that happens in any encounter, it would be a nice example in the parenthesis:
Sometimes a card is left faceup on the top of the location deck (for example, any card you are currently encountering or most barriers with the Task trait work this way). The card is still in the deck, but it can only be shuffled into the deck when...
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I think I'd agree with Firedale. If you have multiple faceup barriers that all say you must encounter them as your first exploration, you get to choose which one you encounter first. Then if you explore again, choose one of the other remaining faceup barriers. Repeat as long as you want to keep exploring or until you've explored all the faceup barriers. Then you can start exploring the rest of the location deck.
"If multiple cards are left faceup on the same deck, you may place them in any order and encounter them in that order."
You don't get to reorder them at any time; whenever you leave a new one faceup, you may place it in whatever order you like, but then you have to encounter them in that order. And yes, you encounter the first one on your first exploration, the second on your second, and so on.
Thank you muchly for the clarification, Vic.
I do have a question concerning the choice of order.
Let us say there's already 1 face up card on the deck and a new card is drawn that ends up needing to be face up. At that time, it appears that you can choose to either place it beneath the one already face-up or on top of the one that's already face-up.
This sets the encounter order (the upper one gets encountered first and the next one gets encountered second).
Let us then say another card is drawn that has to be left face-up.
Which of the following is correct?
A) The previous two still are still set in that those specific two cannot change their own order (that one is above the other as was already set), and the new card can go on the bottom of that 2-card stack, on the top of that, or in between the two cards
B) You completely reorder all three cards, maybe even switching the order of the original two
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I guess the question is, when additional cards get left face-up, do you only choose the order for the 'new' cards left face up, or can you reorder all face-up cards every time one or more 'new' face-up cards get added?
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If an additional card is left faceup after the encounter, the rule states you can place them in any order. If multiple cards are left faceup on the same deck, you may place them in any order and encounter them in that order. That would imply that you can reorder again if another card is left faceup on the location deck.
^ That.
Sorry I will reformulate just to make sure I understand it (me poor French guy don't get all the subtilities).
1) When a NEW faceup card is added on top of a deck, you get to reorder all faceup cards on top of the deck
2) If you play a card/power that let you reorder, you can reorder as per the card/power played
3) If not in one of the previous cases, when you take a standard turn, you encounter one at a time, using one exploration per card in the order they are
4) If you defeat one (let's say there are 4 faceups and I defeat the third one), the others stay in the same order
Good?
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1) Yes
2) I don't think a card exists that lets you reorder face up cards, but yes, if the card says so. If you're talking about things like Scrying, those don't affect the face up cards, so no.
3) Yes. However, that's only if the card says it replaces your first explore. If it simply says "at the start of your turn", then it doesn't use an explore.
4) Correct. Only rearrange when a new face up card is added.