Idea: For SS Organized Play PDF-buyers-> Hard paper book


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Dear Paizo,

How about offering a hard paper book of all published PDF-scenarios for SS OP when its season is finished?

Everybody who purchased all PDFs for the SS Organized Play is eligible for a free of charge hard paper book copy... Of course the buyer has to take care about shipping...

In this way, Paizo rewards those who bought all SS OP pdf files. And buyers will keep on buying the pdf files from a certain point on till the end to get the free book...

This also upgrades the pdfs regarding their quality to a book format!
And it will be a cool collectible!!!

What is your opinion?

Realizable?

Is there anybody interested in this ?

Sovereign Court

Interested? Yes. Financially viable for Paizo? Not even close. You seem to have a lot of unreasonable expectations and hopes for Paizo to do with this game...

These things cost money and time. Someone has to pay for them, and the $30 the 6 adventures will cost is not enough to cover getting all the PDFs now, plus a book of them all once they are all released. Paizo has never done any collected versions of PFS before, I see nothing special that would warrant doing it now. Especially if you're looking at it as a collectible, they've have to charge more than the $30 it'll cost for digital. You're talking about a $50+ book probably. That would never make enough money to warrant them doing it.

I get that you love the game and all and want more PACG products, but you gotta take into account the financial burden of these things on Paizo and how much they would make or lose on them.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

You know that you can simply just DO this at your local Staples? That's how I have my bound copy of Pathfinder Alpha. Hardbound printing costs money... LOTS of it. The smaller the print run, the more expensive each copy. The five dollars you paid for that PDF isn't exactly going to fund something with as limited a sales potential that this is. And you're expecting it for FREE?

And by the way, my Pathfinder Alpha copy was B/W. As I would have never afforded it in color.


If there are finally 20 pdfs each 6 usd... So just my assumption 120 usd total for pdf files..

Then there is some room for a hard paper book which may be cost 30 usd...

I will buy all pdfs and will do a book of my own of it, but when you bought all pdfs and spent a lot of money and then a paizo book is released with all files in it and you have to pay again?


Anyway the book price has to be the same price as you paid for the pdfs ... Otherwise it is unfair for the pdf buyers....

Anyway, i would be interested in a professionally bound hardpaper book based of those pdf file...
Will paizo produce such a book when SS season finished?

The Exchange

43 pages, front to back with a TOC that is a 22 page book if you include the chronicle sheets, not really a format that Paizo does. It would be smaller than a Player's companion, but in hard back format?

Not interested at all, and I like collection their stuff.

Sovereign Court

Myfly wrote:

If there are finally 20 pdfs each 6 usd... So just my assumption 120 usd total for pdf files..

Then there is some room for a hard paper book which may be cost 30 usd...

I will buy all pdfs and will do a book of my own of it, but when you bought all pdfs and spent a lot of money and then a paizo book is released with all files in it and you have to pay again?

Not 20 PDFs at $6 each. The first adventure is $6, the other five are $4. A total $26. That's ripping Paizo off even for just a physical copy, let alone a nice hardback one plus the digitals. Plus, it would have to be a popular item or else they would lose money, and I don't see it being popular, as cool as it would be.

They've never released a physical collection of PFS scenarios before, and there is no reason to believe they would now. It would almost definitely lose them money, even if they ripped us off.


Almost all Paizo products are cheaper for a PDF than a hard-copy, which makes perfect sense, as they only need to produce the content, not the physical materials.

In theory I'd be interested in something like this, but in practice I can't see them getting to a price which makes sense for the company and the customer.


Ok. So far i have not purchased a book from paizo.

Andrew wrote that the pdfs will be in total 26 USD. So paizo could offer some physical brochure/book for 35-40 USD.

The question is just ...

Buy the pdfs right now or wait for a book (physical pdf collection) which will be "eventually" available at the end of the SS season...?

It is like the storage solution; i am waiting for the real adventure case and will not waste money on third party solution.

So only paizo may answer that question if there will be some physical material available...


It would be pretty much unprecedented as Paizo doesn't generally combine these products into one physical product as was mentioned previously. I think the only compilation that was put together ever was The Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition - and that was to celebrate the company's anniversary and the first full fledged adventure path published.

So in short, I wouldn't anticipate anything beyond the PDF's on this product.


Another thing to support the fact that something like this would be unprecedented is that, from what I can tell, Paizo has never put a single PFS RPG scenario in print (bundled or otherwise) in the six years that it has existed.

But, entertaining the idea, even though history makes a product like this extremely unlikely, it would be even more unlikely as a hardback book. If they wanted to put this is print, I wouldn't even think they'd make it a book at all.

At my count, there will be 33 "cards" worth of material for the Season of Shackles: The Adventure Path card, 6 Adventure cards, 6 Scenario cards for Adventure 1, and 4 Scenario cards for the other five Adventures. Add in On the Horizon and that will bring it up to 34 cards. Then, if you want to include the Demo Scrip, that will be an additional 5 pages. Then if you want to include the chronicle sheets (including the mini-chronicle sheet) that's 7 more pages. You would also likely want to include some information on how these scenarios are used, an introduction to organized play for the card game, maybe even include a printed version of the Guide (11 pages of actual content in its current version). And you'd need a cover, copyright and other legal information, table of contents, etc. We're looking at anywhere between 33-60+ pages for this.

Now, hardbacks are rather expensive if you're not doing a very large print run like with the primary RPG rulebooks and they'd pretty much never do a hardback for something that's less than 100 pages. Now, the Campaign Setting series of books has a 64-page paperback binding, so a product like this could likely be doable in that format. However, due to the nature of this product, I don't really think if it was put in print that it would actually be in a book. These are basically oversized cards and are meant to be on the table as you play. Having a paperback book open to the right scenario while you're trying to play the card game can be very cumbersome for most people.

Personally, if they decided to put these scenarios in print, I would prefer that Paizo would use the same printing used for their Map Packs. This would only include the actual Adventure Path, Adventure, and Scenario cards as 5" x 8" tiles. Now this is about half the size of standard letter paper, but since they would be physical "cards" they could be two sided just like the cards in the game and include all of the information while still being of a readable size. The Map Packs typically come in sets of 18 tiles, so that is likely two large printed sheets cut into 9. This 18 can then be doubled for this product, giving it 36 tiles total which is plenty of room for the 34 cards for the set and a couple of informational tiles describing how they're used. Put it in a nice little box, charge somewhere between $20 and $30 for it, and call it a day. For people that would be using these for organized play, a free PDF of just the chronicle sheets would be needed.

There could also be other applications for a product like this, as they could make additional scenarios that aren't necessarily meant to be used for organized play. They might even be able to make Adventure 7+ material in this format....

Anyway, I suppose that's enough babble.

TL;DR - I don't think a book of these scenarios is practical or even remotely likely. Although I think it is also rather likely, it'd be cool if they were released as 5" x 8" tiles.


Ok. Lets do then bigger cards then... But please use the card format as the oversized villain cards from "Sentinels of the Universe". In this format, sleeves and toploaders are avaialable...

This gonna be cool...

The pdfs are for explanatory purposes, story telling and the oversized cards (scenarios, adventure path, etc.) make the difference to the main game.

So by the card size difference you can easily tell the main game components from thePFS cards apart.

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I would definitely spend money to get the OP scenarios and replacement cards (like Onwu Azu) on actual cards, if there was an option for print-on-demand like DriveThru cards.

Grand Lodge 5/5 *

I definitely don't want oversized cards, and the extra expense for Paizo to redesign the layout of their cards for a larger format is not going to be worth it for Paizo to make. Sorry, Myfly.

When your available worker-hours are being stretched to their limits already, you certainly aren't going to devote time to a project that only a couple of people are going to buy and not make any profit from.


There will be no major redesign necessary, just stretch the graphics and keep the same font size. It is a card game. Oversized cards were a huge success for Sentinels of the Universe as well as for MTG as well. Oversized cards will make the OP very special... More attractive. Believe me.

Sovereign Court

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Oversized cards were free for MTG and made no profit. Wizards of the Coast has the money and man power to do that, Paizo doesn't. It will make it more attractive to a very small group of people, and only to people who were already going to participate anyways. You say believe, but I don't.

Also, stretch the image and keep the font size? The font would look awful that small for an oversized card, and simply stretching the image would look horrible.


Andrew Klein wrote:

Oversized cards were free for MTG and made no profit. Wizards of the Coast has the money and man power to do that, Paizo doesn't. It will make it more attractive to a very small group of people, and only to people who were already going to participate anyways. You say believe, but I don't.

Also, stretch the image and keep the font size? The font would look awful that small for an oversized card, and simply stretching the image would look horrible.

What's the difference in manpower between WotC and Paizo ?

Paizo has 20 employees ? and WotC (I have no idea)?


A quick down and dirty google search puts Wizards of the Coast in between 200 and 500, Paizo between 11 and 50.

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