Stacking Bloodline Development with Eldritch Heritage


Rules Questions


If this question was already asked/answered I'm sorry for the post but as I could not find an answer thread.

Eldritch Heritage

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You are descended from a long line of sorcerers, and some portion of their power flows in your veins.

Prerequisites: Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.

Benefit: Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.

Bloodline Development

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Bloodline Development: The arcanist selects one sorcerer bloodline upon taking this exploit. The arcanist gains that bloodline's 1st-level bloodline power as though she were a 1st-level sorcerer. The arcanist must select an ordinary bloodline with this ability, not one altered by an archetype. As a swift action, the arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to bolster her latent nature, allowing her to treat her arcanist level as her sorcerer level for the purpose of using this ability, which lasts for a number of rounds equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1). She does not gain any other abilities when using this exploit in this way, such as bloodline arcana or those bloodline powers gained at 3rd level or higher. If this ability is used to gain an arcane bond and a bonded item is selected, the arcanist can only use that item to cast spells of a level equal to the level of spell that could be cast by her equivalent sorcerer level (limiting her to 1st level spells unless she spends a point from her arcane reservoir). If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline.

Seeing as Eldritch Heritage would qualify as having a bloodline for Bloodline Development my question is just what is my effective caster level for stacking? The way I read it heritage calls out my class level as my sorrceor level -2 and the exploit says it stakes with what ever class gave the bloodline. Does this mean

1. My arcanist level stacks with itself from the feat for an effective arcanist level + arcanist level -2?

OR

2. Is it just my arcanist level -2?

Also because the wildblooded bloodlines are archtypes this means that it wouldn't work with the exploit correct?


The feat doesn't count as the bloodline. You don't gain the bloodline, you just gain the bloodline power.

wildblooded doesn't work as something you can pick with exploit, but if you have sorcerer level with wildblood then the exploit will boost your level.


Chess Pwn wrote:

The feat doesn't count as the bloodline. You don't gain the bloodline, you just gain the bloodline power.

wildblooded doesn't work as something you can pick with exploit, but if you have sorcerer level with wildblood then the exploit will boost your level.

It never calls out in the feat that it doesn't count as a bloodline. The feat says all I get to use is the bloodline power from the bloodline and not the use of its other bloodline abilities. Bloodline development only requires that I have a bloodline which I do from the feat. Unless of course theres a FAQ I missed that calls out that the feat isn't a bloodline.


Where in the feat does it say it grants you a bloodline? As far as I can see it doesn't, just grants you 1 power from a bloodline. so there's nothing for the exploit to stack with.


The feat says to chose a sorcerer bloodline. You get to use that bloodlines 1st level power, you do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.. Now my reading of this you in effect gain a bloodline but only gain access to its 1st level power. What you do not gain is the bonus feats or spells that comes from picking a bloodline. Now then if I'm reading too much into this feat then that's my fault and I'm in the wrong.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Aido_Hwedo wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:

The feat doesn't count as the bloodline. You don't gain the bloodline, you just gain the bloodline power.

wildblooded doesn't work as something you can pick with exploit, but if you have sorcerer level with wildblood then the exploit will boost your level.

It never calls out in the feat that it doesn't count as a bloodline. The feat says all I get to use is the bloodline power from the bloodline and not the use of its other bloodline abilities. Bloodline development only requires that I have a bloodline which I do from the feat. Unless of course theres a FAQ I missed that calls out that the feat isn't a bloodline.

The burden of proof is for you to show where it does.


Gaining a bloodline's powers and gaining a bloodline are not the same thing.

Gaining a bloodline means getting the Arcana, the powers at the listed levels, and the bloodline spells (should you have an appropriate class for them at least). Eldritch Heritage doesn't grant that. Heck, Mythic Eldritch Heritage doesn't even grant that.


Aido_Hwedo wrote:
The feat says to chose a sorcerer bloodline. You get to use that bloodlines 1st level power, you do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.. Now my reading of this you in effect gain a bloodline but only gain access to its 1st level power. What you do not gain is the bonus feats or spells that comes from picking a bloodline. Now then if I'm reading too much into this feat then that's my fault and I'm in the wrong.

You're reading to much into it. when the feat says choose a bloodline it doesn't say you gain the bloodline. You're choosing one to gain a power from it.


Would the new bloodline bane weapon ability work on someone with just the Feat?


I'd rule no for the same reason, you're never getting a bloodline to qualify for bloodline class feature that the blood-hunting is looking for.

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