paizo.com Recent Posts in ACG Dipping.paizo.com Recent Posts in ACG Dipping.2014-10-22T12:05:05Z2014-10-22T12:05:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#442014-11-09T00:45:49Z2014-11-09T00:45:49Z<p>Doesn't work. It has to be a 2nd level ability, higher level ones don't count as lower ones.</p>Doesn't work. It has to be a 2nd level ability, higher level ones don't count as lower ones.graystone2014-11-09T00:45:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Gavmaniahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#432014-11-08T23:44:05Z2014-11-08T23:44:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Seranov wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Seranov wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gavmania wrote:</div><blockquote> 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class). </blockquote>You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class feature already). </blockquote>Just need a 2nd level divine SLA to make it work. You don't need the actual class levels in casting. </blockquote>Technically, but that restricts your racial choices quite a bit. To just Tiefling and Aasimar, iirc. </blockquote><p>You're right. In fact if you want to use it for Early entry EK you have to be an Aasimar <i>and</i> take the Heavenly Radiance Feat at 3rd level, giving you a 3rd level arcane SLA and a 2nd level Divine SLA, a fact I hadn't considered (technically you could go scryer school or use the spell sage archetype, but that would mean you are an INT-based caster, which means High CHA is unlikely)Seranov wrote:graystone wrote: Seranov wrote: Gavmania wrote: 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class).
You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery...Gavmania2014-11-08T23:44:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#422014-11-08T17:44:51Z2014-11-08T17:44:51Z<p>There are other ways to get one other that race. For instance Believer's Boon could get you it, or you could be a divine class without the feature (mystery or domain class) like a druid, shaman or hunter.</p>
<p>it's an option, it just may mean it limits your other options is you use it.</p>There are other ways to get one other that race. For instance Believer's Boon could get you it, or you could be a divine class without the feature (mystery or domain class) like a druid, shaman or hunter.
it's an option, it just may mean it limits your other options is you use it.graystone2014-11-08T17:44:51ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Seranovhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#412014-11-08T17:09:29Z2014-11-08T17:09:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Seranov wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gavmania wrote:</div><blockquote> 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class). </blockquote>You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class feature already). </blockquote>Just need a 2nd level divine SLA to make it work. You don't need the actual class levels in casting. </blockquote><p>Technically, but that restricts your racial choices quite a bit. To just Tiefling and Aasimar, iirc.graystone wrote:Seranov wrote: Gavmania wrote: 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class).
You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class...Seranov2014-11-08T17:09:29ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#402014-11-08T17:03:31Z2014-11-08T17:03:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Seranov wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gavmania wrote:</div><blockquote> 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class). </blockquote>You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class feature already). </blockquote><p>Just need a 2nd level divine SLA to make it work. You don't need the actual class levels in casting.Seranov wrote:Gavmania wrote: 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class).
You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class feature...graystone2014-11-08T17:03:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Seranovhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#392014-11-08T16:49:05Z2014-11-08T16:49:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gavmania wrote:</div><blockquote> 1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class). </blockquote><p>You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class feature already).Gavmania wrote:1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class).
You need 2nd level divine spells to qualify for Divine Protection, so a 1-level dip won't cut it unless your main class is also a divine spellcaster (which likely has the mystery or domain class feature already).Seranov2014-11-08T16:49:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.blahpershttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#382014-11-08T16:37:39Z2014-11-08T16:37:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Master of the Dark Triad wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Squiggit wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Scythia wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Headfirst wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out? </blockquote>They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. </blockquote>Yep. This is how you do Sorcerer 1/Arcanist 19 to get all of the sorcerer's class features for 1 CL and an exploit. </blockquote>You don't get the bonus spells, which are the most important part of most bloodlines. </blockquote><p>You're an arcanist. Who needs bonus spells?Master of the Dark Triad wrote:Squiggit wrote: Scythia wrote: Headfirst wrote: I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?
They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. Yep. This is how you do Sorcerer 1/Arcanist 19 to get all of the sorcerer's class features for 1 CL and an exploit. You don't get the bonus spells, which...blahpers2014-11-08T16:37:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Gavmaniahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#372014-11-08T16:24:55Z2014-11-08T16:24:55Z<p>1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class).</p>1 Level of Warpriest dip grants access to Martial Weapons (Good for EK), access to the Cleric Spell list (So you can use wands of Freedom of Movement, Heal, etc.) and make you Eligible for the Divine Protection Feat (a must-have for any CHA based class).Gavmania2014-11-08T16:24:55ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Alexander Augunas (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#362017-01-17T21:19:12Z2014-10-26T00:06:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ohako wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Scythia wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Headfirst wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out? </blockquote>They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. </blockquote>Funny story: don't take 3 levels of slayer on your rogue: the sneak attack doesn't stack! </blockquote><p>Yes, they do. Sources of sneak attack damage always stack. If you want to get technical, they're all sources of untyped, extra damage. Because they're untyped, neither class needs to note that it stacks with the other.ohako wrote:Scythia wrote: Headfirst wrote: I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?
They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. Funny story: don't take 3 levels of slayer on your rogue: the sneak attack doesn't stack! Yes, they do. Sources of sneak attack damage always stack. If you want to get technical, they're...Alexander Augunas (Contributor)2014-10-26T00:06:34ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Master of the Dark Triad (alias of The Artaxerxes)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#352014-10-25T22:07:17Z2014-10-25T22:07:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Squiggit wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Scythia wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Headfirst wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out? </blockquote>They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. </blockquote>Yep. This is how you do Sorcerer 1/Arcanist 19 to get all of the sorcerer's class features for 1 CL and an exploit. </blockquote><p>You don't get the bonus spells, which are the most important part of most bloodlines.Squiggit wrote:Scythia wrote: Headfirst wrote: I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?
They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. Yep. This is how you do Sorcerer 1/Arcanist 19 to get all of the sorcerer's class features for 1 CL and an exploit. You don't get the bonus spells, which are the most important part of...Master of the Dark Triad (alias of The Artaxerxes)2014-10-25T22:07:17ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Squiggithttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#342014-10-25T19:10:11Z2014-10-25T19:10:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scythia wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Headfirst wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out? </blockquote>They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. </blockquote><p>Yep. This is how you do Sorcerer 1/Arcanist 19 to get all of the sorcerer's class features for 1 CL and an exploit.Scythia wrote:Headfirst wrote: I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?
They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. Yep. This is how you do Sorcerer 1/Arcanist 19 to get all of the sorcerer's class features for 1 CL and an exploit.Squiggit2014-10-25T19:10:11ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Jadeitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#332014-10-25T07:54:01Z2014-10-25T07:54:01Z<p>One level of vivisectionist would be very good for a Slayer.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Sneak Attack: At 1st level, a vivisectionist gains the sneak attack ability as a rogue of the same level. If a character already has sneak attack from another class, the levels from the classes that grant sneak attack stack to determine the effective rogue level for the sneak attack's extra damage dice (so an alchemist 1/rogue 1 has a +1d6 sneak attack like a 2nd-level rogue, an alchemist 2/rogue 1 has a +2d6 sneak attack like a 3rd-level rogue, and so on). This ability replaces bomb.</blockquote><p>One level of vivisectionist would be very good for a Slayer.
Quote:Sneak Attack: At 1st level, a vivisectionist gains the sneak attack ability as a rogue of the same level. If a character already has sneak attack from another class, the levels from the classes that grant sneak attack stack to determine the effective rogue level for the sneak attack's extra damage dice (so an alchemist 1/rogue 1 has a +1d6 sneak attack like a 2nd-level rogue, an alchemist 2/rogue 1 has a +2d6 sneak attack...Jadeite2014-10-25T07:54:01ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.ohakohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#322014-10-25T05:10:43Z2014-10-25T05:10:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scythia wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Headfirst wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out? </blockquote>They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. </blockquote><p>Funny story: don't take 3 levels of slayer on your rogue: the sneak attack doesn't stack!Scythia wrote:Headfirst wrote: I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?
They reversed that around the second round of playtesting. Funny story: don't take 3 levels of slayer on your rogue: the sneak attack doesn't stack!ohako2014-10-25T05:10:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.christos gurd (alias of toastwolf)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#312014-10-25T04:18:18Z2014-10-25T04:18:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Charon's Little Helper wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">christos gurd wrote:</div><blockquote> dont forget that swashbucklers finesse is going to be necessary for dex to damage melee builds. </blockquote><p>Not entirely. You can get dex to damage with an aldori dueling sword without dipping into swashbuckler. Though the swash level is required to duel wield for dex-to-damage.
<p>Also of note - you get that feature of swashbuckler by dipping into cavalier/daring champion archtype. Though as a 1 level dip swashbuckler is probably better due to getting panache at 1st level. </blockquote><p>true, although personally i wouldn't mind dipping swash on monk for dex to temple sword.Charon's Little Helper wrote:christos gurd wrote: dont forget that swashbucklers finesse is going to be necessary for dex to damage melee builds.
Not entirely. You can get dex to damage with an aldori dueling sword without dipping into swashbuckler. Though the swash level is required to duel wield for dex-to-damage. Also of note - you get that feature of swashbuckler by dipping into cavalier/daring champion archtype. Though as a 1 level dip swashbuckler is probably better due to getting...christos gurd (alias of toastwolf)2014-10-25T04:18:18ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Scythiahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#302014-10-25T00:38:20Z2014-10-25T00:38:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Headfirst wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out? </blockquote><p>They reversed that around the second round of playtesting.Headfirst wrote:I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?
They reversed that around the second round of playtesting.Scythia2014-10-25T00:38:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Headfirsthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#292014-10-25T00:33:19Z2014-10-25T00:33:19Z<p>I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?</p>I thought you couldn't stack a hybrid class with either of the classes it combines... No slayer if you have rogue levels and no brawler if you have monk levels, etc. or did they take that restriction out?Headfirst2014-10-25T00:33:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.BadBirdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#282014-10-24T21:26:44Z2014-10-24T21:26:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Please do not archetype with Shaman (except maybe Possessed Shaman if you are really in need of a skill monkey). Instead of Spirit Shield just use Air Barrier, which does the same thing and you can get it with either Wandering Hex or with Spirit Talker if you don't feel like picking up the Wind Spirit. </blockquote><p>Speaker for the Past also grants perception, Heroism and other bonus spells to <i>class list</i>, and the Temporal Celerity revelation which is just awesome. There are other nice revelations as well. I find a lot of the spirit options pretty meh anyways, especially for a Battle Shaman who can't afford charisma. As you mentioned, Spirit Talker can cover grabbing something you really want from a second spirit anyhow.Anzyr wrote:Please do not archetype with Shaman (except maybe Possessed Shaman if you are really in need of a skill monkey). Instead of Spirit Shield just use Air Barrier, which does the same thing and you can get it with either Wandering Hex or with Spirit Talker if you don't feel like picking up the Wind Spirit.
Speaker for the Past also grants perception, Heroism and other bonus spells to class list, and the Temporal Celerity revelation which is just awesome. There are other nice...BadBird2014-10-24T21:26:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Anzyrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#272014-10-24T20:08:27Z2014-10-24T20:08:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BadBird wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The Arcanist's ability to bump spell DC or CL up by 2 is pretty great. An Eldritch Knight can use it with spell specialization to bump up things like Greater Magic Weapon or Scorching Ray into the next level. Add Mage Tattoo, and the CL15 where Intensified Battering Blast goes nuclear comes at level 10. Plus of course Blade Adept...</p>
<p>On the flipside of the OP, a Shaman with a single level of Monk can really work that Hex Strike. Speaker for the Past -> Spirit Shield and Monk AC is pretty cool too. </blockquote><p>Please do not archetype with Shaman (except maybe Possessed Shaman if you are really in need of a skill monkey). Instead of Spirit Shield just use Air Barrier, which does the same thing and you can get it with either Wandering Hex or with Spirit Talker if you don't feel like picking up the Wind Spirit.BadBird wrote:The Arcanist's ability to bump spell DC or CL up by 2 is pretty great. An Eldritch Knight can use it with spell specialization to bump up things like Greater Magic Weapon or Scorching Ray into the next level. Add Mage Tattoo, and the CL15 where Intensified Battering Blast goes nuclear comes at level 10. Plus of course Blade Adept...
On the flipside of the OP, a Shaman with a single level of Monk can really work that Hex Strike. Speaker for the Past -> Spirit Shield and Monk AC...Anzyr2014-10-24T20:08:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.BadBirdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#262014-10-24T17:51:47Z2014-10-24T17:51:47Z<p>The Arcanist's ability to bump spell DC or CL up by 2 is pretty great. An Eldritch Knight can use it with spell specialization to bump up things like Greater Magic Weapon or Scorching Ray into the next level. Add Mage Tattoo, and the CL15 where Intensified Battering Blast goes nuclear comes at level 10. Plus of course Blade Adept...</p>
<p>On the flipside of the OP, a Shaman with a single level of Monk can really work that Hex Strike. Speaker for the Past -> Spirit Shield and Monk AC is pretty cool too.</p>The Arcanist's ability to bump spell DC or CL up by 2 is pretty great. An Eldritch Knight can use it with spell specialization to bump up things like Greater Magic Weapon or Scorching Ray into the next level. Add Mage Tattoo, and the CL15 where Intensified Battering Blast goes nuclear comes at level 10. Plus of course Blade Adept...
On the flipside of the OP, a Shaman with a single level of Monk can really work that Hex Strike. Speaker for the Past -> Spirit Shield and Monk AC is pretty cool...BadBird2014-10-24T17:51:47ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.ohakohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#252014-10-24T17:14:31Z2014-10-24T17:14:31Z<p>I'm rocking a 2-level slayer dip for my rogue</p>
<p>a) martial weapons (helloooo kerambit!)
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b) studied target
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c) a free feat (from a ranger combat style)
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d) boosted Fort save</p>
<p>slayer 1 Improved Init, studied target
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rogue 2 sneak attack +1d6
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slayer 3 Power Attack, Cleave (from a ranger combat style feat)
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rogue 4 Surprise Follow-Through (from a rogue talent)</p>I'm rocking a 2-level slayer dip for my rogue
a) martial weapons (helloooo kerambit!)
b) studied target
c) a free feat (from a ranger combat style)
d) boosted Fort save
slayer 1 Improved Init, studied target
rogue 2 sneak attack +1d6
slayer 3 Power Attack, Cleave (from a ranger combat style feat)
rogue 4 Surprise Follow-Through (from a rogue talent)ohako2014-10-24T17:14:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Charon's Little Helperhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#242014-10-24T15:15:05Z2014-10-24T15:15:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">christos gurd wrote:</div><blockquote> dont forget that swashbucklers finesse is going to be necessary for dex to damage melee builds. </blockquote><p>Not entirely. You can get dex to damage with an aldori dueling sword without dipping into swashbuckler. Though the swash level is required to duel wield for dex-to-damage.
<p>Also of note - you get that feature of swashbuckler by dipping into cavalier/daring champion archtype. Though as a 1 level dip swashbuckler is probably better due to getting panache at 1st level.</p>christos gurd wrote:dont forget that swashbucklers finesse is going to be necessary for dex to damage melee builds.
Not entirely. You can get dex to damage with an aldori dueling sword without dipping into swashbuckler. Though the swash level is required to duel wield for dex-to-damage. Also of note - you get that feature of swashbuckler by dipping into cavalier/daring champion archtype. Though as a 1 level dip swashbuckler is probably better due to getting panache at 1st level.Charon's Little Helper2014-10-24T15:15:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Alexander Augunas (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#232017-11-10T21:04:21Z2014-10-24T10:14:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BadBird wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">christos gurd wrote:</div><blockquote>right up until you want to finesse a katana, the possibility of which had a lot of people squeeing. </blockquote>Indeed, I could hear it from here - if you mean some combination of squealing and peeing. Don't get me wrong, I like the aesthetics of the Katana, but it sure has an iron grip on the imaginations of some people. As far as swords go scimitars are just as unique and interesting, and by the rules there's almost no reason to bother 'upgrading'. </blockquote><p>This is just my opinion, but considering the scimitar has dominated the Dex to Damage scene for the past several years (thanks to Dervish Dance), I don't consider the scimitar all that unique either.
<p>Now, finessable morning stars? THERE'S a weapon that makes a unique swashbuckler! (Even if you can't get Dex to damage with it. Yet.)</p>BadBird wrote:christos gurd wrote:right up until you want to finesse a katana, the possibility of which had a lot of people squeeing.
Indeed, I could hear it from here - if you mean some combination of squealing and peeing. Don't get me wrong, I like the aesthetics of the Katana, but it sure has an iron grip on the imaginations of some people. As far as swords go scimitars are just as unique and interesting, and by the rules there's almost no reason to bother 'upgrading'. This is just my...Alexander Augunas (Contributor)2014-10-24T10:14:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.fel_horfrosthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#222014-10-24T10:09:34Z2014-10-24T09:58:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Secret Wizard wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Brawler no get a combat feat on level 1.</p>
<p>Also Brawler's Flurry is not quite like any Flurry. </blockquote><p>They do get brawlers cunning which allows them to ignore intelligence requirements on feats, martial flexibility to add a feat on the fly, and a better than average improved unarmed strike. So for min maxers that want to dump int it might be a worthy one level dipSecret Wizard wrote:Brawler no get a combat feat on level 1.
Also Brawler's Flurry is not quite like any Flurry.
They do get brawlers cunning which allows them to ignore intelligence requirements on feats, martial flexibility to add a feat on the fly, and a better than average improved unarmed strike. So for min maxers that want to dump int it might be a worthy one level dipfel_horfrost2014-10-24T09:58:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.BadBirdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#212014-10-24T08:50:45Z2014-10-24T08:50:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:</div><blockquote>PFS has ruined the scimitar for me. I ban dervish dance solely based on my annoyance with that weapon now. I have been in a 6 person party where 4 used scimitars. Never seen that with a katana (or any other weapon period). That alone is a great reason to not use the scimitar in my mind, don't be like everyone else. </blockquote><p>Yes, it would have been and still would be nice to see something along the lines of Dervish Dance workable with at least <i>some</i> diversity of weapons - Fencing Grace should at least bring the rapier in for a little variety. On the up-side, a Power Attacking Elven Curved Blade with Agile or half-decent strength can beat the crap out of Dervish Dance for damage.Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:PFS has ruined the scimitar for me. I ban dervish dance solely based on my annoyance with that weapon now. I have been in a 6 person party where 4 used scimitars. Never seen that with a katana (or any other weapon period). That alone is a great reason to not use the scimitar in my mind, don't be like everyone else.
Yes, it would have been and still would be nice to see something along the lines of Dervish Dance workable with at least some diversity of weapons -...BadBird2014-10-24T08:50:45ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: ACG Dipping.Ptolmaeus Arvenushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rmhz?ACG-Dipping#202014-10-24T08:46:05Z2014-10-24T08:46:05Z<p>Eldritch Scion, that's what it is called</p>Eldritch Scion, that's what it is calledPtolmaeus Arvenus2014-10-24T08:46:05Z