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This is how I would handle your request,

First, you don’t actually mean to say your character is “Terminally Anemic,” right? Because that would mean that we would have to manage the possibility of your character dying, with no possibility of a save, at any given moment, and I don’t see how that would be conducive to the party you are joining being successful. Now if you mean she “appears” Terminally Anemic, in a way that is meant to describe how she looks, that’s fine.

i simply mean the character would be really pale and appear more fragile than she is, not that she is actually anemic

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Second, by wealthy do you mean you will select the appropriate Trait to represent your character’s starting wealth? There are rules for that. If you are asking for your character to have access to more wealth than is normally allowed to starting characters within the rules, then I have to say no, as it creates an unmanageable factor that places a burden on the other player characters. If you want to role play your character as if she is wealthy, even though she has only the same resources as the other player characters, then that is fine.

actually, player characters with PC classes start off with plenty of wealth to begin with. PC class starting gold should be all i need to elevate myself above the common farm hand in wealth

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Your character can be young, but not below the age of consent as defined by the setting (as I do not normally allow players to play “children” in my settings unless the setting is specifically aimed at a “children themed” adventure.

i was thinking the equivalent to the human range of early to mid twenties with the classic small frame and soft features that make her appear younger and more fragile than she should. a concept that exists in our own world. as an example, despite being 25 chronologically, i can pass for a 10-12 year old cosmetically due to my small frame and delicate features IRL

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We are going to have to talk about what you think “nymph-blooded” means, as a role playing trope, it is fine that you are “nymph-blooded.” However, as I suggested earlier, no advantages to your character will be allowed beyond those that are available through standard character creation rules, traits, and feat selection.

the character would probably be represented as a reskinned elf with a few alternate racial traits that have a minor fey hint

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You can be a puppeteer, in name only, or you can put ranks into that as a profession. We might even find a way to incorporate this into the adventure even if I didn't have it planned that way.

i was considering using human emotions as my marionette, part time not so minmaxed face to be precise

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You can act as sweet as you think you are capable of acting, in a role playing manner, or if you feel that it should be handled through die rolls, that can be accommodated, but manipulating others can only be accomplished through the mechanics provided to us in the rules, and though I will allow you to try to manipulate the other Player’s Characters, in no way will I allow you to disrupt the flow of the game if your attempts to manipulate are antagonistic, or unwelcome by other players. The NPCs of the setting will react according to how well you convince me you can manipulate them, and to a degree how well you roll if we fall back on that device.

i can be pretty sweet IRL, even though i am mute and can't verbally express my sweetness IRL, i can offer IC rewards for favorable IC actions. not always IC cash, but IC, i can probably usually minor IC gifts i can offer while still pretending to be a harmless child as cover. stuff like home baked pastries, minor hand sewn items, and stuff made using untrained minor DC craft checks with my above average intellect. at the real physical table, i usually bring pastries i baked with my boyfriend's help.

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Treating other characters (player characters or non player characters) in a sadistically demeaning manner is acceptable, up to the point that you risk treating any other players in a disrespectful way. I recommend you approach other players with an explanation of this character’s behavior, and ensure the other player is comfortable with this play style, before you spring something on them that might be unintentionally hurtful.

i would ask them first. i wouldn't make it obvious, but most of the demeaning things would be things that wouldn't be too bad or too degrading, it would mostly be things like "Hunter, secure my quarters, so i can provide you more spells tomorrow" or "warrior, kill the Orc chieftan for me, i will support you by demasculating him with a puppet show"

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I would say no to a terminally anemic but wealthy young nymph blooded puppeteer who acts sweet on the surface as she manipulates others in a sadistically demeaning manner…

Right of the bat.

I would be prone to accept a little less ridiculous concept, like a really pale, "wealthy" human child with nymph blood thrown in, who is a puppereer (perform or manipulator?) and who behaves like a well-adjusted sociopath.

Since I generally run good campaigns, their life expectancy would probably be around the same as a life expectancy of a snowball thrown in a vat of molten iron, but if the player roleplayed the character well, and didn't cause trouble for the party, I'd be perfectly fine with it.

But since I provide my players with a sheet of stuff that is outright banned, stuff that is frowned upon and stuff that they must roleplay REALLY well to pull off, with (to me) reasonable explanations of why, I believe that a person who comes to my game with a catfolk tsundere rogue who wants to rob everything, will find the door shown to them really quickly.

EDIT: Oh, also, this applies to my game only. If I play in someone else's game, I may give my opinion on it, but I will not give another player any grief over their character concept. In or out of game.
Right now I am playing a space opera FATE game with one anthropomorphic cat and a kitsune (yes, I roll my eyes, but I don't say anything)

technically, it is just a reskinned elven bard with a few published alternate racial traits that while official, are banned in PFS while not being that powerful to begin with and she happens to be a minor noble by title with no real mechanical adventuring benefit from it except maybe, a base of operations for the party to work with and a few NPC servants who do little more than maintain the base of operations. she would mostly be designed as a face and her starting performance would be Acting. being that puppetry and ventriloquism are all about acting.

the character herself isn't inherently doing evil things for the sake of being evil, but rather, manipulating social strings to help others, even if she comes across as a bit of a friendly but somewhat spoiled princess


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There are times when this is like defining art.

You can't really put it in words, yet you know it when you see it.

It can also be something in degrees. I've seen los of tabletop gamer personalities over the years. Some excel at making the experience fun for everyone. Most are adequate at it, and neither greatly detract or enhance the experience. Then there are some that you dread seeing at the table.

The worst game style I ran across consistently is someone that railroad controls any game they run to the point that your PC actions make no difference, forcing delays to "heighteen tension" (our PCs have searched a room for three hours, do not force the PLAYERS to scratch their heads for three hours as you force us to say exactly WHERE they look, and have us miss the vital clue because no one said the wood edging around the southwest corner of the ceiling).
The same GM, when he/she becomes a player, suddenly des everything possible to disrupt a campaign and will refuse to follow any plot leads, story hooks, or even bother to care about any NPCs or fellow PCs. (So, the first thing your hard boiled detective character does, right out the gate, is to assault a police station because you simply feel like it?).


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The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club!


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All y'all are crazy.

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Oh, we know. We know.


I feel like I am missing some inside joke here?

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Laurefindel wrote:

I not a fan of players insisting on playing evil (or acting like immoral ass**** or playing "neutral-badass" just to impress other players).

I find the enjoyment of doing depraved things disturbing at best, loathsome in most cases.

I can understand (and enjoy) characters struggling against their worst nature, or going into a momentary fit of madness, but there needs to be an intent of redemption somewhere.

Oddly, as a player and a DM, I enjoy evil characters. Especially moustache-twirling, snidely-whiplash sorts that sacrifice a thousand bunnies to call forth Lord Triffaldar: Demon King of Rabbitkind.

But nothing kills the fun faster for me than characters which are grimdark, amoral antiheroes who kill without a second thought and remain completely detached from any sort of emotion whatsoever.

I think because as long as you understand it's evil and dastardly, you can enjoy a villainous character the way you enjoy Loki or The Joker - with an understanding that what they've done is wrong and taking satisfaction in their eventual downfall.

The second variety, though, is just so off-putting. It's like you don't even understand the difference between right and wrong.


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Skeld wrote:

I dislike anyone under the age of 60 that comes to gaming wearing a fedora.

Most of them aren't really a fedora, and a real fedora looks very cool.


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DrDeth wrote:
Skeld wrote:

I dislike anyone under the age of 60 that comes to gaming wearing a fedora.

Most of them aren't really a fedora, and a real fedora looks very cool.

Ignorance of hat varieties is another undesirable trait, to be sure.

Somehow it's worse when the person wearing the trilby is calling it a fedora. The unhatted get a pass, I guess.

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I don't think I would consider myself classy enough to put on a coat and a fedora till I'm at least 40.


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I has a yellow Fedora and yellow trench coat... But don't wear either of them. LOL


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Liranys wrote:
I has a yellow Fedora and yellow trench coat... But don't wear either of them. LOL

Any chance you own a small monkey as well?


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Simon Legrande wrote:
Liranys wrote:
I has a yellow Fedora and yellow trench coat... But don't wear either of them. LOL
Any chance you own a small monkey as well?

No, but I am looking for red shoes and blue slacks.. (Wrong man in the yellow hat) ;)


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My grandma was Pennsylvania Dutch...I'm a victim of my own joke :(
Well, 25% or so...


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Paddington Bear?


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Paddington Bear?

The Man with the yellow hat is from curious george.

I'm referencing a comic book/movie rather than a children's book :)

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Dick Tracy?


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Orthos wrote:
Dick Tracy?

Ding Ding Ding, give Orthos a prize!


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Skeld wrote:
JurgenV wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Jacob Saltband wrote:
Skeld wrote:

I dislike anyone under the age of 60 that comes to gaming wearing a fedora.

-Skeld

*hides fedora behind his back*
I'll be 51 in 6 days and by golly I want a classic broad brimmed fedora!
A real fedora not a hipster hat

Don't get me wrong, outside of a well-dressed elderly gentleman or an actor in a period piece, I always know what to expect from a conversation with a guy wearing a fedora (especially if he isn't wearing a suit and tie): a discussion on men's rights or Linux.

I dont get the hat hate. There's no reason to hate a person based upon their choice of headgear. That's quite superficial.

And I have been wearing fedoras for forty years, and I never bring up "a discussion on men's rights or Linux." I think your sample size is too small.

Fedoras are cool. They keep the sun off you face, protecting you from skin cancer. They keep your head worm in the cold and dry in the rain.

Hating hat wearers is like hating people who wear shoes based upon the fact that one of them was a jerk once.


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DrDeth wrote:


I dont get the hat hate. There's no reason to hate a person based upon their choice of headgear. That's quite superficial.

And I have been wearing fedoras for forty years, and I never bring up "a discussion on men's rights or Linux." I think your sample size is too small.

Fedoras are cool. They keep the sun off you face, protecting you from skin cancer. They keep your head worm in the cold and dry in the rain.

Hating hat wearers is like hating people who wear shoes based upon the fact that one of them was a jerk once.

I think the hat hate was mostly a joke (it was for most of us). I personally don't have a problem with Fedoras. I think they are cool as well. Also, generalizations are definitely not truisms. Not everyone who is under 60 and wears a fedora is into "men's rights" and/or Linux. (I hated Linux, it's hard to configure)

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DrDeth wrote:
Skeld wrote:

I dislike anyone under the age of 60 that comes to gaming wearing a fedora.

Most of them aren't really a fedora, and a real fedora looks very cool.

If I'm remembering my millinery correctly, the thinner brim style is a trilby; fedoras have a wider brim—example here.


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We can solve all things through google, who educates us.


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Liz Courts wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Skeld wrote:

I dislike anyone under the age of 60 that comes to gaming wearing a fedora.

Most of them aren't really a fedora, and a real fedora looks very cool.
If I'm remembering my millinery correctly, the thinner brim style is a trilby; fedoras have a wider brim—example here.

Haberdashery you mean. Millinery is strictly women's hats ;)

Edit: I have an ancestor who was a Milliner. Apparently hats run in my family. LOL


I like fedoras, big Bogart fan since I was a kid. But I've never been able to pull off the look. I can rock a cabbie hat though.


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Liz Courts wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Skeld wrote:

I dislike anyone under the age of 60 that comes to gaming wearing a fedora.

Most of them aren't really a fedora, and a real fedora looks very cool.
If I'm remembering my millinery correctly, the thinner brim style is a trilby; fedoras have a wider brim—example here.

Spot on!

Good point, Liz.


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So, my takeaway from this thread is that I should show up to a new game wearing a trillby and hypersexualized anime girl t-shirt, then play as a Psionic Lolicon Kender Antipaladin who rants about Linux and men's rights in a creepy little girl voice.

Got it.


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Splode wrote:

So, my takeaway from this thread is that I should show up to a new game wearing a trillby and hypersexualized anime girl t-shirt, then play as a Psionic Lolicon Kender Antipaladin who rants about Linux and men's rights in a creepy little girl voice.

Got it.

Bang!

(drags body away to join the others)

;-)

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DrDeth wrote:

They keep your head *worm* in the cold and dry in the rain.

Is that a brain slug you're hiding under that fedora?


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I have to agree with an earlier post. I'm not a fan of people picking their race solely on the ability modifier. I don't like meta-gaming, either. Or rules-lawyers. We have a player that played a Cleric and chose it solely on what the favored weapon was, and then played the character radically different than the dogma of his diety. And when the DM told him about it, his reply was "who cares, as long as I pray every day for my spells?". He got a rude awakening when he prayed and got no spells for one day, then got mad at the DM for not being fair.

So yeah, anything else but those I can deal with/around. I think there are alot of players out there that don't realize that you can't win at RPG's. That's not their purpose.


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Liranys wrote:

Haberdashery you mean. Millinery is strictly women's hats ;)

Edit: I have an ancestor who was a Milliner. Apparently hats run in my family. LOL

Do you guys keep them in a corral or other fenced in area so that they don't roam freely around the countryside, wandering into people's homes, and infringing their personal freedom?


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Grey Lensman wrote:
memorax wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Rules lawyers, the ones who compare my campaign to theirs and then proceed to tell me everything that is "wrong" compared to theirs, and the ones who don't or won't bathe. I've met one person who encompasses all three. *shivers*
Forgot about not wanting to bathe. i'm not saying come to the game smelling like a rack of deodrant products. Yet when a person smells worse than roadkill it's hard to game with such a person.
I used to know a guy whose odor was so bad that when he 'borrowed' my stick deodorant one time he rendered it unusable. His own stink overpowered the stick and I had to throw the whole thing out.

Friends is friends, but there are some things I will NEVER lend out. Deodorant and toothbrushes come to mind...


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What the heck...

I hate players that don't understand that it's as much their job to "push" the story forward than the DM.

Also, the player that keeps wanting his PC to do seperate things than what the group is doing.

Ultradan


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Randarak wrote:
Liranys wrote:

Haberdashery you mean. Millinery is strictly women's hats ;)

Edit: I have an ancestor who was a Milliner. Apparently hats run in my family. LOL

Do you guys keep them in a corral or other fenced in area so that they don't roam freely around the countryside, wandering into people's homes, and infringing their personal freedom?

Oh, the hats! I was like, um, what? at first and then I realized you were talking about the Hats "Running" in my family. <insert groan for bad pun here>. I should have said Hat-Making runs in my family. :P Our hats act just like everyone else's hats and only run when they're firmly atop someone's head.


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Those tiny pillbox hats are very cute, but I hear they're a real hassle to manage...I also heard they breed like rabbits...confirm/deny?


Brox RedGloves wrote:
Those tiny pillbox hats are very cute, but I hear they're a real hassle to manage...I also heard they breed like rabbits...confirm/deny?

Confirmed. You wouldn't believe how fast they propagate.

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Liranys wrote:
DrDeth wrote:


I dont get the hat hate. There's no reason to hate a person based upon their choice of headgear. That's quite superficial.

And I have been wearing fedoras for forty years, and I never bring up "a discussion on men's rights or Linux." I think your sample size is too small.

Fedoras are cool. They keep the sun off you face, protecting you from skin cancer. They keep your head worm in the cold and dry in the rain.

Hating hat wearers is like hating people who wear shoes based upon the fact that one of them was a jerk once.

I think the hat hate was mostly a joke (it was for most of us). I personally don't have a problem with Fedoras. I think they are cool as well. Also, generalizations are definitely not truisms. Not everyone who is under 60 and wears a fedora is into "men's rights" and/or Linux. (I hated Linux, it's hard to configure)

"Fedora hate" is a joke. It's also an internet meme. I don't actually care if anyone wears a fedora, but I also don't think there are very many people that can pull that look off without looking dorky.

-Skeld


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Wouldn't it be absolutely wonderful if we could find an office note from one of the big computer companies dated sometime around 1988 that warned that in the future of the world where computers all over would be connected we would need to be concerned about the possibility of "fedora Hate" becoming a central driving focus of a large population of computer user


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I thought the fedora hatred sprung from a generalized hatred of hipsters, as well as the fedora becoming a trait associated with <looking for the politest term here> jerks much like Ed Hardy shirts.

I don't think people care about the hats or how people look; the hat is a warning sign all too often that you are going to be dealing with one of Them (whatever your personal version of Them may be).

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do not force the PLAYERS to scratch their heads for three hours as you force us to say exactly WHERE they look, and have us miss the vital clue because no one said the wood edging around the southwest corner of the ceiling).

I run 2nd edition, where the closest thing to a "search" or "perception" check (for non-thieves), is a 1 in 6 chance (on a d6) to find anything hidden. Elves and half-elves have a better chance of finding or noticing hidden things, but either way, the chances never improve...

So, telling me exactly where you search, is often times much more effective than relying upon a simple die roll, but it does require me to be much more descriptive when I describe a room.


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This thread has gone in an unusual direction....

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Unusual? This happens every other week.


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TOZ wrote:
Unusual? This happens every other week.

Every other week? Aint that a bit generous?

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Why yes I am!

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Gamers who like another rpg. Dislike playing D&D yet join the game. Then proceed to constantly point out how much better rpg xyz is compared to D&D.

Missing the point of certain rpgs. I get that some like running rpgs where players start with a rusty dagger. No money to the characters name and wearing nothing but the rags on their backs. Yet decide to run Exalted which is anything but. It possible to kick butt from the beginning with the Exalted as well as having a army.

Gamers who like only playing one rpg. I can respect liking say D&D. I just can't play or run D&D all the time I need a change every so often. If as a gamer one hates Shadowrun why join the game. Seems like a waste of time.

Gamers who like playing characters with high stats and really low dump stats. The 20 Con and Str with 5 Int and Cha types. Who then want little or no penalty. Or who try to get around it by pumping points into skills. I used to really dislike that. Even disallowed that in my games. Now I made a new houserule. Put a 5 int and 5 Cha. The Str and Con are frozen at 16. So go ahead and pump as many points into social skills at first level. Your character is offscreen roleplaying going around talking to people and getting better in social situations at the expense of becoming tougher and stronger.


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memorax wrote:


Gamers who like playing characters with high stats and really low dump stats. The 20 Con and Str with 5 Int and Cha types. Who then want little or no penalty. Or who try to get around it by pumping points into skills. I used to really dislike that. Even disallowed that in my games. Now I made a new houserule. Put a 5 int and 5 Cha. The Str and Con are frozen at 16. So go ahead and pump as many points into social skills at first level. Your character is offscreen roleplaying going around talking to people and getting better in social situations at the expense of becoming tougher and stronger.

I have never dumped a stat below 7 and never dumped more than one stat below 10. I also don't like point buy systems, but that's me. I generally use stat arrays for my one shot games and roll stats for my campaigns (haven't run one of those in a while though, no time)

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