1.) 3
2&3.) 5
If it maintains a grapple the only attacks it gets are the rakes.
I believe this is false:
A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks under certain conditions, typically when it grapples its foe. In addition to the options available to all grapplers, a monster with the rake ability gains two free claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. The bonus and damage caused by these attacks is included in the creature’s description. A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn already grappling to use its rake—it can’t begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.
If you had to give up your normal attack option, the attacks wouldn't be free. You should be able to use your bite for a normal attack.
2) will do damage for the natural weapon if succeeding in the maintain grapple check and allow the 2 rake attacks.
1. How many attacks does he get for a full attack?
He gets 3: Claw claw bite.
2. In a round where he successfully maintains a grapple?
3. The Bite damage that comes with a succesful grapple check and the rake for two claws. It can't use the other two claws because maintaining a grapple is a standard action so it can't maintain and full attack.
3. After he pounces?
5. Claw claw bite rake rake.
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If it maintains a grapple the only attacks it gets are the rakes.I believe this is false:
A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks under certain conditions, typically when it grapples its foe. In addition to the options available to all grapplers, a monster with the rake ability gains two free claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. The bonus and damage caused by these attacks is included in the creature’s description. A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn already grappling to use its rake—it can’t begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.If you had to give up your normal attack option, the attacks wouldn't be free. You should be able to use your bite for a normal attack.
It's just the 2 rake attacks.
"In addition" means "another option", not "on top of", in this case.
The cat is essentially getting double the number of attacks by raking.
If it maintains a grapple the only attacks it gets are the rakes.I believe this is false:
A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks under certain conditions, typically when it grapples its foe. In addition to the options available to all grapplers, a monster with the rake ability gains two free claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. The bonus and damage caused by these attacks is included in the creature’s description. A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn already grappling to use its rake—it can’t begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.If you had to give up your normal attack option, the attacks wouldn't be free. You should be able to use your bite for a normal attack.It's just the 2 rake attacks.
"In addition" means "another option", not "on top of", in this case.
The cat is essentially getting double the number of attacks by raking.
Then the attacks aren't free. They would have stated "a monster with the rake ability can instead attack with two claws".
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Normally when maintaining a grapple, the number of attacks you can make equals ZERO. Rake allows you to make 2.
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Normally when maintaining a grapple, the number of attacks you can make equals ZERO. Rake allows you to make 2.When you maintain you may choose to do damage equal to your unarmed strike, a natural attack, or an attack made with armor spikes or a light or one-handed weapon.The rake attacks are in addition to that.
The option to make a rake attack is in addition to those.
I have always read it as they get the 2 rake attacks in addition to whichever option they choose when maintaining the grapple. If "in addition to" was giving the option to take the 2 rake attacks instead of one of the previously available options, they wouldn't be "free". They would be their own choice with the cost of not getting to choose what was available before.
My 2 cents anyways.
I... Just... Did.
We're reading the same sentence and coming to different conclusions.
It's actually a common occurrence here on the forums, hence why I responded with "where do we go from here?"
I guess we're just going to wait it out.
(My 2 cents is the same as Jeff's; we're in the usual "English is ambiguous" situation.)
You get the rakes for free. The rakes are claw attacks. In addition you have your normal option to deal damage with the grappling appendage.
I have always read it that if a creature with rake begins its turn grappling, succeeds at a grapple check, and chooses to do damage, it gets to make its free rake attacks. I can see the reasoning behind saying that "rake" is an additional option to choose from instead of the normal grapple options however.
Going back to 3.5 text for rake gives us:
A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks when it grapples its foe. Normally, a monster can attack with only one of its natural weapons while grappling, but a monster with the rake ability usually gains two additional claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. Rake attacks are not subject to the usual -4 penalty for attacking with a natural weapon in a grapple.
A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn grappling to use its rake—it can’t begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.
These are clearly in addition to the normal 1 natural attack the creature would get.
I'm going with
1) Bite, Claw, Claw
2) Qualifying normal attack (Bite in this case), Rake, Rake*
3) Bite, Claw, Claw, Rake, Rake
*Looking at the rules quoted so far, "In addition to the options available to all grapplers, a monster with the rake ability gains two free claw attacks", seems straight forward to me.
It does not say "in place of" or "as another option", it says "gains".
So, Step 1) Look at what they can normally do. Step 2) Add two free claw attacks. Step 3) Profit.
ShoulderPatch: Rake does state that they do not get the attacks in the round that they establish the grapple. So no Bite (establish grapple) rake rake.
ShoulderPatch: Rake does state that they do not get the attacks in the round that they establish the grapple. So no Bite (establish grapple) rake rake.
Op's #2 read "maintain" not "establish". Referenced below.
2. In a round where he successfully maintains a grapple?
The real confusing part is when the big cat gets multiattack. Since npc codex and unofficial developer comments indicate it should get an extra attack at -5, but the RAW state it does not.
Doesn't it just lowers penalty on its secondary attacks? Wolfs and other thigns with only 1 natural attack get additional 1.
Multiattack does not add attacks to an animal companion who already has three natural attacks; it merely reduces the secondary attack penalties. (If the companion's attacks are all primary, the ability is useless.) NPC code has screwed up more than once.
Multiattack does not add attacks to an animal companion who already has three natural attacks; it merely reduces the secondary attack penalties. (If the companion's attacks are all primary, the ability is useless.) NPC code has screwed up more than once.
What would be possible with a big cat companion with multiattack (if the GM allows it) to give it armor spikes. That way it could make normal weapon attacks including iteratives plus all natural attacks at -2.
This option is not always a good one but it exists and could help with DR.
Nefreet, how are you getting 5?
If you use a standard action to maintain a grapple (effectively giving you a bite) then you get 2 additional attacks (rake rake). You can't use a full attack action you'd need to get 5 attacks unless they pouncecharge.
The critter chosing to bite or not bite wouldn't change that a standard action has been spent (in the case of not biting, cue the standard "with jaws that could crush a zebra bone, the mother lioness gently takes the kobold by the scruff of the neck....")