paizo.com Recent Posts in Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of Reputationpaizo.com Recent Posts in Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of Reputation2014-10-15T22:54:49Z2014-10-15T22:54:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationCaldeathe Baequianniahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#342014-10-17T21:10:58Z2014-10-17T16:35:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Audoucet wrote:</div><blockquote>@Cal : ... I think that if you are honest, you will agree with me that saying "Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility.", is a very very exaggerated statement, based on ignorance.</blockquote><p>Not quite. I can agree with parts of your statement. I agree that we can presume Dazyk has an ignorance of programming, because he hasn't said he's coded and probably would have if he has. We can't, though, assume that he doesn't have a strong grasp of logic, which might be as important as programming experience in assessing the results of altering a system with which we are unfamiliar. No, I won't agree that it is a very exaggerated statement, though I do agree that it is based (at least partially) on ignorance (as defined).
<p>All of that said, there's not much point in getting frustrated by Dazyk's statement (or mine, or yours), since the only statements about programming that matter are from the GW team, and they haven't addressed it.</p>
<p>Our role here is to tell GW what we think they should do next. Their role is to make the decisions. None of us should be telling each other what to suggest or not suggest or criticizing each others' preferences, except as a function of saying why we want what we want.</p>Audoucet wrote:@Cal : ... I think that if you are honest, you will agree with me that saying "Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility.", is a very very exaggerated statement, based on ignorance.
Not quite. I can agree with parts of your statement. I agree that we can presume Dazyk has an ignorance of programming, because he hasn't said...Caldeathe Baequiannia2014-10-17T16:35:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAudoucethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#332014-10-17T15:36:34Z2014-10-17T15:36:34Z<p>@Dazyk : It's relevant because for people who never coded a game, there is a big tendency to think that some things are hard, while thinking of other things are easy, but usually, it's the other way around.</p>
<p>@Cal : Obviously, I don't know how PFO is made, and I would be happy to shut up if a GW developer told me "Yes, you are wrong, it's a very odd to do". But without knowing nothing about this particular game's architecture, I think that if you are honest, you will agree with me that saying "Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility.", is a very very exaggerated statement, based on ignorance. </p>
<p>And I'm not using the word ignorance as an insult, it's ignorance just like it was ignorance when I asked to my surgeon if he could make surgery on me with a local anaesthetic, because I can't be completely anaesthetised because of my handicap. Well he told me that the anaesthetic isn't the problem for me, the problem is the body reaction of contact with the intestines. It was probably very obvious for him, but not for me because of ignorance.</p>@Dazyk : It's relevant because for people who never coded a game, there is a big tendency to think that some things are hard, while thinking of other things are easy, but usually, it's the other way around.
@Cal : Obviously, I don't know how PFO is made, and I would be happy to shut up if a GW developer told me "Yes, you are wrong, it's a very odd to do". But without knowing nothing about this particular game's architecture, I think that if you are honest, you will agree with me that saying...Audoucet2014-10-17T15:36:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationBeinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#322014-10-17T13:39:12Z2014-10-17T13:39:12Z<p>Adding a conditional argument is simple prima facie, but a reactive targeting module is unlikely to be simple and whatever reactive targeting <i>also</i> does may be convoluted indeed. Everything related must be thought-through and all consequences of even the simplest change must not only be projected but documented since <i>this</i> programmer is unlikely to be the only programmer that ever has to code the product.</p>Adding a conditional argument is simple prima facie, but a reactive targeting module is unlikely to be simple and whatever reactive targeting also does may be convoluted indeed. Everything related must be thought-through and all consequences of even the simplest change must not only be projected but documented since this programmer is unlikely to be the only programmer that ever has to code the product.Being2014-10-17T13:39:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationCaldeathe Baequianniahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#312014-10-17T12:56:33Z2014-10-17T12:56:33Z<p>I have coded, and I'm not prepared to assume that any change in a piece of code this complex is as simple as you think. It could be. Or it could be tied into a system that has repercussions across dozens of modules. AH tweaks (which are primarily restricted to how the contents of a database dispalys) shouldn't have any effect outside the AH, except possible connectors to character inventory and a minimal tie to the bank.</p>
<p>Targeting is the first step in everything that happens. Changes to targeting are going to tie to (at the very least) <b>any</b> combat interactions, which is at the core of a huge chunk of the activity and could impact subroutines for things like selecting trainers, selecting guards, selecting nodes, calling up identification for other players.</p>I have coded, and I'm not prepared to assume that any change in a piece of code this complex is as simple as you think. It could be. Or it could be tied into a system that has repercussions across dozens of modules. AH tweaks (which are primarily restricted to how the contents of a database dispalys) shouldn't have any effect outside the AH, except possible connectors to character inventory and a minimal tie to the bank.
Targeting is the first step in everything that happens. Changes to...Caldeathe Baequiannia2014-10-17T12:56:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationDazykhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#302014-10-17T03:40:12Z2014-10-17T03:40:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Audoucet wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I'm sorry, I don't mean to be combative, but I really do not agree with you. I think "just adding an 'if' " is a gross over-simplification of the issue. What about all of the correlated tech and systems? What impact will this 'if' have on them?</p>
<p>I think it is pretty easy to say "oh, it would be easy to just do 'this' " when we are on this side of the interwebs. </blockquote>Did you ever code or not ? </blockquote><p>I really don't see how that is relevant. I gave myself some stitches once, with some fishing wire, while camping. I sure wouldn't start calling myself a doctor, though.
<p>You and I have no real idea of what the coding of this game is like; therefore, it is really presumptuous to assume that what we think would be easy really is easy.</p>Audoucet wrote:Dazyk wrote:I'm sorry, I don't mean to be combative, but I really do not agree with you. I think "just adding an 'if' " is a gross over-simplification of the issue. What about all of the correlated tech and systems? What impact will this 'if' have on them?
I think it is pretty easy to say "oh, it would be easy to just do 'this' " when we are on this side of the interwebs.
Did you ever code or not ? I really don't see how that is relevant. I gave myself some stitches once,...Dazyk2014-10-17T03:40:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAudoucethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#292014-10-17T01:01:52Z2014-10-17T01:01:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I'm sorry, I don't mean to be combative, but I really do not agree with you. I think "just adding an 'if' " is a gross over-simplification of the issue. What about all of the correlated tech and systems? What impact will this 'if' have on them?</p>
<p>I think it is pretty easy to say "oh, it would be easy to just do 'this' " when we are on this side of the interwebs. </blockquote><p>Did you ever code or not ?Dazyk wrote:I'm sorry, I don't mean to be combative, but I really do not agree with you. I think "just adding an 'if' " is a gross over-simplification of the issue. What about all of the correlated tech and systems? What impact will this 'if' have on them?
I think it is pretty easy to say "oh, it would be easy to just do 'this' " when we are on this side of the interwebs.
Did you ever code or not ?Audoucet2014-10-17T01:01:52ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationDazykhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#282014-10-17T00:37:25Z2014-10-17T00:37:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Audoucet wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Andius is asking for a verification of state, when an event is launched. That implies just to add "if" when the attack is launched, to simplify. If condition X isn't met, the attack isn't launched. Just like the attack isn't launched, if the distance condition isn't met.</p>
<p>AH tweaks are probably freaking harder and complex. </blockquote><p>I'm sorry, I don't mean to be combative, but I really do not agree with you. I think "just adding an 'if' " is a gross over-simplification of the issue. What about all of the correlated tech and systems? What impact will this 'if' have on them?
<p>I think it is pretty easy to say "oh, it would be easy to just do 'this' " when we are on this side of the interwebs.</p>Audoucet wrote:Andius is asking for a verification of state, when an event is launched. That implies just to add "if" when the attack is launched, to simplify. If condition X isn't met, the attack isn't launched. Just like the attack isn't launched, if the distance condition isn't met.
AH tweaks are probably freaking harder and complex.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be combative, but I really do not agree with you. I think "just adding an 'if' " is a gross over-simplification of the issue....Dazyk2014-10-17T00:37:25ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKarlBobhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#272014-10-16T23:37:42Z2014-10-16T20:26:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ryan Dancey wrote:</div><blockquote> Autotargeting someone who heals you is a bug and it will be fixed asap. </blockquote><p>Thank you very much. Glad to hear it.Ryan Dancey wrote:Autotargeting someone who heals you is a bug and it will be fixed asap.
Thank you very much. Glad to hear it.KarlBob2014-10-16T20:26:02ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAudoucethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#262014-10-16T20:24:01Z2014-10-16T20:24:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kadere wrote:</div><blockquote><p>You state this with a lot more certainty I could muster. Are you a programmer or have other experience related to the question of how hard a given system would be to implement?</p>
<p>Not looking to be combative, just trying to gauge if you are speaking authoritatively here. </blockquote><p>Andius is asking for a verification of state, when an event is launched. That implies just to add "if" when the attack is launched, to simplify. If condition X isn't met, the attack isn't launched. Just like the attack isn't launched, if the distance condition isn't met.
<p>AH tweaks are probably freaking harder and complex.</p>Kadere wrote:You state this with a lot more certainty I could muster. Are you a programmer or have other experience related to the question of how hard a given system would be to implement?
Not looking to be combative, just trying to gauge if you are speaking authoritatively here.
Andius is asking for a verification of state, when an event is launched. That implies just to add "if" when the attack is launched, to simplify. If condition X isn't met, the attack isn't launched. Just like the...Audoucet2014-10-16T20:24:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAudoucethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#252014-10-16T20:14:26Z2014-10-16T20:14:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote>How do you know that? What may not seem like a 'big job' to us may very-well be to GW at this crucial, crunch time count-down to EE. From the way Ryan has been talking, I am thinking that they are focusing on way more important things than this. And perhaps rightfully so. </blockquote><p>Because I have a minimum experience in that. I am not saying that's not a supplementary work, but that's not a big thing.Dazyk wrote:How do you know that? What may not seem like a 'big job' to us may very-well be to GW at this crucial, crunch time count-down to EE. From the way Ryan has been talking, I am thinking that they are focusing on way more important things than this. And perhaps rightfully so.
Because I have a minimum experience in that. I am not saying that's not a supplementary work, but that's not a big thing.Audoucet2014-10-16T20:14:26ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKaderehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#242014-10-16T20:13:18Z2014-10-16T20:13:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Audoucet wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote> Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy...</blockquote>Certainly less than AH tweaks. What Andius describes isn't a big job. </blockquote><p>You state this with a lot more certainty I could muster. Are you a programmer or have other experience related to the question of how hard a given system would be to implement?
<p>Not looking to be combative, just trying to gauge if you are speaking authoritatively here.</p>Audoucet wrote:Dazyk wrote: Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy...
Certainly less than AH tweaks. What Andius describes isn't a big job. You state this with a lot more certainty I could muster. Are you a programmer or have other experience related to the question of how hard a given system would be to implement? Not looking to be combative, just trying to gauge if you are speaking authoritatively here.Kadere2014-10-16T20:13:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationRyan Danceyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#232020-10-12T12:03:19Z2014-10-16T19:54:15Z<p>Autotargeting someone who heals you is a bug and it will be fixed asap.</p>Autotargeting someone who heals you is a bug and it will be fixed asap.Ryan Dancey2014-10-16T19:54:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationDazykhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#222014-10-16T19:45:44Z2014-10-16T19:45:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Audoucet wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote> Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy...</blockquote>Certainly less than AH tweaks. What Andius describes isn't a big job. </blockquote><p>How do you know that? What may not seem like a 'big job' to us may very-well be to GW at this crucial, crunch time count-down to EE. From the way Ryan has been talking, I am thinking that they are focusing on way more important things than this. And perhaps rightfully so.Audoucet wrote:Dazyk wrote: Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy...
Certainly less than AH tweaks. What Andius describes isn't a big job. How do you know that? What may not seem like a 'big job' to us may very-well be to GW at this crucial, crunch time count-down to EE. From the way Ryan has been talking, I am thinking that they are focusing on way more important things than this. And perhaps rightfully so.Dazyk2014-10-16T19:45:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAudoucethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#212014-10-16T19:41:37Z2014-10-16T19:41:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote> Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy...</blockquote><p>Certainly less than AH tweaks. What Andius describes isn't a big job.Dazyk wrote:Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy...
Certainly less than AH tweaks. What Andius describes isn't a big job.Audoucet2014-10-16T19:41:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKarlBobhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#202014-10-16T18:55:49Z2014-10-16T18:55:49Z<p>If any GW folks are following this, could we get some confirmation that this is happening the way we think it is, or if not, a quick description of what's really happening? Normally, I wouldn't push you guys for an answer, but if this system works the way we think it does, then clerics will have a really hard time in EE.</p>
<p>Edit: "Don't heal me until I'm down. Don't buff me at all. My reputation can't take another hit! Come to think of it, why do we have a cleric in the party, anyway?"</p>If any GW folks are following this, could we get some confirmation that this is happening the way we think it is, or if not, a quick description of what's really happening? Normally, I wouldn't push you guys for an answer, but if this system works the way we think it does, then clerics will have a really hard time in EE.
Edit: "Don't heal me until I'm down. Don't buff me at all. My reputation can't take another hit! Come to think of it, why do we have a cleric in the party, anyway?"KarlBob2014-10-16T18:55:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKarlBobhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#192014-10-15T23:15:44Z2014-10-15T23:15:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dazyk wrote:</div><blockquote> Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility. </blockquote><p>Unfortunately, I think the quickest option would be to disable healing until the auto-target problem is fixed.Dazyk wrote:Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility.
Unfortunately, I think the quickest option would be to disable healing until the auto-target problem is fixed.KarlBob2014-10-15T23:15:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationDazykhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#182014-10-15T23:11:27Z2014-10-15T23:11:27Z<p>Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility.</p>Any of the changes mentioned here would be programmer labour heavy... It has already been made clear dozens of times that 'solutions' to problems in-game need to be within the realm of possibility.Dazyk2014-10-15T23:11:27ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationTEO Cheatle (alias of Bigmancheatle)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#172014-10-15T22:45:13Z2014-10-15T22:45:13Z<p>To amend your first idea:</p>
<p>I would suggest that instead of turning off friendly fire, you can not take reputation hits when hitting party members/company members. </p>
<p>Your second idea, I believe they already have that kind of tagging at the company level, when it is implemented. </p>
<p>Last idea, I 100% agree with. If we had a button that would stop us from creating accidents it would go along way towards making the current reputation system more palatable.</p>To amend your first idea:
I would suggest that instead of turning off friendly fire, you can not take reputation hits when hitting party members/company members.
Your second idea, I believe they already have that kind of tagging at the company level, when it is implemented.
Last idea, I 100% agree with. If we had a button that would stop us from creating accidents it would go along way towards making the current reputation system more palatable.TEO Cheatle (alias of Bigmancheatle)2014-10-15T22:45:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAvenaOatshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#162014-10-15T13:16:49Z2014-10-15T13:16:49Z<p>Wow, think the friendly/hostile tagging system is a very fun/useful idea Andius The Afflicted.</p>Wow, think the friendly/hostile tagging system is a very fun/useful idea Andius The Afflicted.AvenaOats2014-10-15T13:16:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKoTC Edam Neadenil (alias of Carbunkle Squirrelbane)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#152014-10-15T12:50:36Z2014-10-15T12:50:36Z<p>Yeah its rather amusing actually though will not be funny in EE.</p>
<p>My main crafter who is probably the only character in Keepers capable of making +3 axes, battleaxes and swords is stuck on -5800 rep for no apparent reason. </p>
<p>I am thinking potentially it might have come from him healing and buffing with reactive damage feats still slotted but not really sure :D</p>
<p>Its rather an odd system.</p>Yeah its rather amusing actually though will not be funny in EE.
My main crafter who is probably the only character in Keepers capable of making +3 axes, battleaxes and swords is stuck on -5800 rep for no apparent reason.
I am thinking potentially it might have come from him healing and buffing with reactive damage feats still slotted but not really sure :D
Its rather an odd system.KoTC Edam Neadenil (alias of Carbunkle Squirrelbane)2014-10-15T12:50:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKarlBobhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#142014-10-15T00:43:58Z2014-10-15T00:43:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bluddwolf wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">TEO Cheatle wrote:</div><blockquote> Bludd, this is only after Live, you should have a base of 100 rep/hour right now....you just have to stay in game. </blockquote><p>I was in game, for an hour during the escalation, and I recovered 1 point. We will see tonight when I log in, if I'm around -3400 or so. Then again tomorrow, if I am at -2400 or better.
<p>10 points per hour, is 100 hours per a thousand. That is way to long, as long as there are ways for innocents to end up with a negative rep. </p>
<p>If things remain the way they are, people will tell Clerics to keep away from them in combat. Death is easier than the rep loss. </p>
<p>Targeting has been an issue since build 6, and it just got worse.
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</blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure you would have to leave your character logged in overnight to see those results. I don't think you regain any reputation when you're logged out to character select, or not running PFO at all. Unless it works differently now, and I missed the change (very possible).Bluddwolf wrote:TEO Cheatle wrote: Bludd, this is only after Live, you should have a base of 100 rep/hour right now....you just have to stay in game.
I was in game, for an hour during the escalation, and I recovered 1 point. We will see tonight when I log in, if I'm around -3400 or so. Then again tomorrow, if I am at -2400 or better. 10 points per hour, is 100 hours per a thousand. That is way to long, as long as there are ways for innocents to end up with a negative rep.
If things remain...KarlBob2014-10-15T00:43:58ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationKarlBobhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#132014-10-15T00:38:39Z2014-10-15T00:38:39Z<p>The layered Friendly/Hostile system would probably take too long to develop before EE. It sounds like an excellent addition to the game eventually, though.</p>
<p>A rep safety switch sounds like a great idea, too. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to implement.</p>
<p>In the party I described earlier, I initially thought that my party member/attacker might have been using an AoE melee attack, and I might have been getting clipped by the edge of that attack. We then confirmed that he had no AoE attacks slotted. At that point we had no idea what was going wrong. It never occurred to me that the system couldn't distinguish between a monster attacking him, and me healing him.</p>
<p>I suspect that 99% of new people will have no idea why this happens to them. That will be bad. As I said earlier, I'd rather see no healing in EE than healing that drives people away from the game.</p>The layered Friendly/Hostile system would probably take too long to develop before EE. It sounds like an excellent addition to the game eventually, though.
A rep safety switch sounds like a great idea, too. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to implement.
In the party I described earlier, I initially thought that my party member/attacker might have been using an AoE melee attack, and I might have been getting clipped by the edge of that attack. We then confirmed that he had no AoE...KarlBob2014-10-15T00:38:39ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationAndius the Afflicted (alias of Andius)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#122014-10-15T15:46:27Z2014-10-14T15:57:56Z<p>These are long term fixes but here is how you fix this issue entirely.</p>
<p>1. Parties, Companies, and Settlements can have friendly fire enabled or disabled. If joining a party/group with it disabled you get a pop-up warning. You are also notified and given a brief timeframe to leave before it takes effect if it changes once you are in a group.</p>
<p>Most of these style of games already have party/alliance kills disable any negative consequences for this very reason. I realize Ryan sees it the opposite way, and I've been warning him all along sooooo...</p>
<p>The first of many...</p>
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qgze?Goblinworks-Blog-Alignment-and-Reputation#10" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">I TOLD YOU SO!!!</a></p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">TEO Malvius012 wrote:</div><blockquote>Cut the system out entirely and let us try self policing if that system isn't ready but right now the cure is more damaging than the disease.</blockquote><p>It's not a UNC saying that. ;)
<p>2. Friendly and Hostile tagging system. Players should have the ability to set up settings that allow them to mark targets as friendly and hostile. Here is how I would set mine:</p>
<p>[H]Aggressive NPCs
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[F]Non-Aggresive NPCs
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[F]Party Members
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[F]Company Members
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[F]Settlement Members
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[F]Allied Companies
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[F]Allied Settlements
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[F]Neutral Players
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[H]Red Players
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[H]Targets with Aggression Timers
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[H]Feud Targets</p>
<p>Friendly targets would only be target-able with beneficial effects. Hostile targets would only be target-able with aggressive effects.</p>
<p>Additionally you throw in basically a safety switch. For instance if I press the "]" key I manually set a target to friendly while the "\" key manually sets them to hostile. Regardless of any auto-flagging settings.</p>
<p>The other nice part is because I have targets with aggression timers on auto-hostile I can respond if someone starts hitting me.</p>
<p>Finally you could set some flags to take precedence over others. For instance the friendly status of "Settlement Member" may outweigh the hostile property of "Red Players." Or the other way around, depending on what settings you want to go with.</p>
<p>3. A rep safety needs to be in place. In Wurm you can toggle two tabs called "lawful" and "faithful". While "lawful" is on you cannot take any action which is against the law. The game blocks you from doing it. While "faithful" is on you cannot take any action that would offend your deity. Disable them, and you can do whatever you want.</p>
<p>They worked extremely well.</p>
<p>PFO needs a similar safety that stops anyone from taking an action that harms their rep unless they turn it off.</p>These are long term fixes but here is how you fix this issue entirely.
1. Parties, Companies, and Settlements can have friendly fire enabled or disabled. If joining a party/group with it disabled you get a pop-up warning. You are also notified and given a brief timeframe to leave before it takes effect if it changes once you are in a group.
Most of these style of games already have party/alliance kills disable any negative consequences for this very reason. I realize Ryan sees it the...Andius the Afflicted (alias of Andius)2014-10-14T15:57:56ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationSaiph (alias of Nevy)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#112014-10-14T15:58:13Z2014-10-14T15:52:14Z<p>I wish they wouldn't be so bent on making heals touch based.</p>I wish they wouldn't be so bent on making heals touch based.Saiph (alias of Nevy)2014-10-14T15:52:14ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Healing ,Auto Targetting and Loss Of ReputationBluddwolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rlgb?Healing-Auto-Targetting-and-Loss-Of-Reputation#102014-10-14T15:49:28Z2014-10-14T15:49:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TEO Cheatle wrote:</div><blockquote> Bludd, this is only after Live, you should have a base of 100 rep/hour right now....you just have to stay in game. </blockquote><p>I was in game, for an hour during the escalation, and I recovered 1 point. We will see tonight when I log in, if I'm around -3400 or so. Then again tomorrow, if I am at -2400 or better.
<p>10 points per hour, is 100 hours per a thousand. That is way to long, as long as there are ways for innocents to end up with a negative rep. </p>
<p>If things remain the way they are, people will tell Clerics to keep away from them in combat. Death is easier than the rep loss. </p>
<p>Targeting has been an issue since build 6, and it just got worse.</p>TEO Cheatle wrote:Bludd, this is only after Live, you should have a base of 100 rep/hour right now....you just have to stay in game.
I was in game, for an hour during the escalation, and I recovered 1 point. We will see tonight when I log in, if I'm around -3400 or so. Then again tomorrow, if I am at -2400 or better. 10 points per hour, is 100 hours per a thousand. That is way to long, as long as there are ways for innocents to end up with a negative rep.
If things remain the way they are,...Bluddwolf2014-10-14T15:49:28Z