Constructs and Disbelief


Rules Questions


So, the ____ (Silent, Major, etc.) Image spells are figments, and thus are not mind-effects. Thus, constructs are indeed affected by them. Objects automatically succeed on disbelief saves though, so how about constructs (they're creatures, so I'd think there'd need to be a specific rule saying that they auto-disbelieve if they do)? This would likewise be relevant for spells like Shadow Conjuration.


You are right. They are constructs and not objects, so the rules for objects do not apply.


Yup. The spells aren't mind-affecting unless they say they are.

Scarab Sages

Think about it this way, they are real lights that makes something look like something else. You have to actively resist the the magic in order to see through it. Undead, constructs, humans, it makes no difference, it all works the same. Their ocular recepticals 'see' the light and so they perceive the illusion as real until proven otherwise.

Sovereign Court

Yep - I don't think any creature type is inherently immune to illusions of the figment variety. Though as you get up there in levels - there's enough true seeing that it can get chancey. (Illusion based casters should be even more into dropping dispel magic on their opponents round 1 than other casters are in the hopes of popping true seeing.)


Do be careful with how things are worded too. Just because one thing is immune to mind-affecting, doesn't mean it can automatically see through your own mirror imaged spell. The spell is affecting you after all, not it(I mean, it IS effecting it's chance to hit you, but it's a buff for you, not a debuff against it.)

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Constructs and Disbelief All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.