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If you find yourself in Seattle you need to go to the Museum of Flight. The WWI section has some amazing stories about early aerial combat as well as many of the planes from that era on display.
What I found most interesting was the cavalier attitude they had toward opponents. It seems more akin to jousting than combat.
-MD
All other things being equal, an aircraft with a thrust to
weight ratio greater than one /1/ can propel itself straight
up against the force of gravity.
During World War I, due to the low power of early aircraft,
the most common type of engagement was known as a Lufberry,
which consisted of two fighters chasing each other around
the same circle, often 180 degrees apart. This type of engagement,
however, is energy-depleting, causing the fighters to lose
altitude until they run out of maneuvering room. This type
of fight became a game of chicken, forcing one fighter to
attempt an escape before crashing into the ground, and giving
the advantage to the other. As engines became more powerful,
three-dimensional tactics became available to counter the
stalemate of the Lufberry, allowing fighters to maneuver onto
the tail of their opponents.
How close are Russian bomber flights?
[ war = preparing for dogfights ]
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A flat scissors is a series of nose-to-nose turns and overshoots in the
same maneuver plane, with each pilot attempting to get behind the other.
But how does this ever end? When one guy runs out of fuel?
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A flat scissors is a series of nose-to-nose turns and overshoots in the
same maneuver plane, with each pilot attempting to get behind the other.
But how does this ever end? When one guy runs out of fuel?.
When one of them makes a mistake or his plane is inferior in that situation.
Wow, russian bombers were 50 miles from the Cali coast, a few months ago.
src = NORAD scrambles F-22
With all this modern hardware flying in the sky, I have to wonder if there are
board games out, yet, to play through these scenarios-in-the-sky?
Well, maybe not modern, but there were a few for the cold war.
At the moment, I'm finding the Korean Air War to be very educational.
There seems to have been a spurt of innovation during this conflict, and
many news ideas put into effect, and tested by just trying it to
see what happens.
At the start of 1951, Soviet squadrons adapted a new approach by creating
a 6-aircraft unit as their basic tactical organization. (We now know this
doesn't work; or maybe it does and the Russians just suck.)
The start of 1951 also saw the introduction of the first Chinese Mig-15s.
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All other things being equal, an aircraft with a thrust to
weight ratio greater than one /1/ can propel itself straight
up against the force of gravity.During World War I, due to the low power of early aircraft,
the most common type of engagement was known as a Lufberry,
which consisted of two fighters chasing each other around
the same circle, often 180 degrees apart. This type of engagement,
however, is energy-depleting, causing the fighters to lose
altitude until they run out of maneuvering room. This type
of fight became a game of chicken, forcing one fighter to
attempt an escape before crashing into the ground, and giving
the advantage to the other. As engines became more powerful,
three-dimensional tactics became available to counter the
stalemate of the Lufberry, allowing fighters to maneuver onto
the tail of their opponents.
the Germans actually used the Lufberry tactic in WWII as a defense during dogfights. The P-51's would try to "shoot the circle" by flying into the middle to try and break the formation up. I was just watching a show about the P-51 on the History Channel. One of my favorite planes.
Energy is a primary factor in controlling and maneuvering an aircraft.
If an attacker has too much energy, it may be easy to get in range but
difficult to prevent an overshoot. Too little energy and the attacker
may not be able to get in range at all. If the defender has more energy
than the attacker, an escape may be possible, but too little energy and
the defender will lose maneuverability.
In aviation, the term "energy" does not refer to the fuel or the thrust
it produces. Instead, thrust is referred to as "power." Energy is the
state of the fighter's mass at any given time, and is the result of the
power. Energy comes in two forms, which are kinetic and potential.
Can't wait to see some dogfighting in the new Star Wars movie.
Back in the early 80's Simulations Publications Inc (SPI) had a table top hex grid board and cardboard marker game that simulated jet combat really well. Darned if I can recall the name of it though.
Posting in the middle of running errands can be problematic.
At any rate, I mention the game because it was created by a couple of fighter pilots who went into extensive detail on all of this. Never really caught on because you had to spend several hours going through some rather detailed rules before you could even start to play it. But if air combat was a serious interest for you, that game was well worth the time spent to get a handle on it.
Back in the early 80's Simulations Publications Inc (SPI) had a table top hex grid board and cardboard marker game that simulated jet combat really well. Darned if I can recall the name of it though.
I remember SPI. That game company was another victim of TSR[1][2] back in the 80's.
I think the game you're referencing is called "Air War".
Without a doubt the Air War in Korea (1950-53 for those playing at home)
was impressive in scope. UN forces flew 1.04 Million sorties (averaging
800 and a maximum of 2400 per day) which they actually have records of.
Seriously, where is all this data being kept? I bet it is full of air combat knowledge, and even undiscovered knowledge to this day.
One of the National Archives warehouses.
What are they going to do with all that stuff, if not let people look at it???
How long does it take for documents to become de-classified?
Very intersting info. Makes you wonder which harmonization the aces of that time had on their guns. Point Harmonization seems like it also wouldve been a less accurate way to snap fire in a turn.
did you read that book
One of the National Archives warehouses.What are they going to do with all that stuff, if not let people look at it???
How long does it take for documents to become de-classified?
That depends. If it's stuff that they think is still relevant and they see some potential advantage to keeping it secret, then they'll keep it secret indefinitely. As an example, a lot of the WWII code breaking stuff wasn't made public until 50 years after the war was over. I would also be willing to bet that there might be some stuff squirreled away somewhere dealing with that subject that's still classified for whatever reason even today.
As far as Korean War era dogfighting tactics go, I can't think of what would date from that period that they would still need to have classified. But then I'm not a fighter pilot and I don't know what they're sitting on. However I can say that USS Nautilus (SSN-571), our first nuclear submarine, was launched in 1954. 50 years later would take us to 2004. But as her reactor plant was the genesis of the designs for the lion's share of the submarines we still have in service I would be willing to bet you a cold soda that it's still classified.
Fighting in Space -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ecfe64RyNQ
Air Combat Maneuvers and Dogfighting History
Well, I've not really found too much use to Combat Maneuvers whenever my dogs've been in the air, in the history of my games, it's really always been a matter o-
Oh. Oh, I see. Oh. Please, continue.
Love the fact that the A-10 is the last US plane to achieve A2A kill with guns....
In honor of WW3 Sidewinder Air To Air Missile are now available at participating Walmart Superstores.
LOL Doc...
To be fair, that is not a gun, that is a cannon, that normally kills modern main battle tanks...
Yeah...just kinda badass...only plane built around the weapon...not the other way round!
Ugly, green, and mean...that is the A-10, sorta like how people see us orcs come to think of it. :)
What ever happened to differential thrust vectoring. I mean, it was all the rage and then dissipated.
Tom Cruise was doing it in his latest jet movie too wasn't he? huh?
Happy 100th Birthday >Chuck Yeager< !!
1. Barrel Roll Attack
2. Combat Spread
3. High Yo-Yo
4. Flat Scissors
5. Immelmann Turn
6. Guns Defense
7. Unloaded Extension
Please roll 1d7 and for each opponent.