Hey guys, a situation came up in my game where a witch cast a melee touch attack spell on our swashbuckler.
Before I rolled the attack, the swashbuckler declared he wanted to parry. Rather than get bogged down in an arguement, I just ruled it was fine and moved on.
But after the game it did provoke a discussion so I was wondering whether this had been addressed anywhere?
For sure he's allowed to parry a touch attack. The ability say "when an opponent tries to make a melee attack against the swashbuckler" and a melee touch attack is certainly a melee attack.
Plus, it makes perfect sense. If he can use his sword to parry her touch, well then she can't touch him, can she?
Also, remember that the witch would still be holding the charge on the touch spell. So the spell isn't wasted, and she can try again on her next turn (and even attack someone else with it if she doesn't think she can touch the swash.)
Yep, that's exactly how I played it but it's nice to get a second opinion :)
i have a duelist (well, HE says proffessional fencer, but i disagree) friend.
you'd be surprised (or not^^) that i find it IMPOSSIBLE to actually touch him (with my fingertips) while he parry my hand. and that is without him using a sword/dagger/etc, just his bare hand.
so yes, "parrying" a touch is 100% logical
Yes... Parry my Shocking Grasp with you metal sword...
It's probably a houserule, but I would rule that the Witch gets a bonus to her attack roll equal to the difference between the Swashies regular and touch AC for the purposes of Parry and Reposte.
Witch doesn't get a roll for Parry & Riposte. It's just the Swash making an attack roll; if they make it they dodge the attack.
Diminuendo wrote: Yes... Parry my Shocking Grasp with you metal sword...
It's probably a houserule, but I would rule that the Witch gets a bonus to her attack roll equal to the difference between the Swashies regular and touch AC for the purposes of Parry and Reposte.
It's surprising too easy to do so. You usually parry by pushing the hand quite a bit higher than the palm of the hand, near the elbow.
Unless you have shocking elbows too^^
Diminuendo wrote: Yes... Parry my Shocking Grasp with you metal sword...
It's probably a houserule, but I would rule that the Witch gets a bonus to her attack roll equal to the difference between the Swashies regular and touch AC for the purposes of Parry and Reposte.
You dont parry "lighting", you parry the hand
yup. it never says how it's parried. the rolls just happen and if it's over it's parried.
how it's imagined is up to gm and players. It could be the guy swipes at her elbow, and the witch moves to avoid losing her arm. So it could techincally be done without any touching whatsoever. Or they swashbuckler could attempt to stab the magickers' torso, so the touch attack is pushed back (or even stabbed if one reposted as well)
Well witches don't get shocking grasp. But the spell itself acxtually already includes a bonus to hit concerning metal items.
Here's another parry question -
Can you parry a incorporeal creature with a non-magical weapon?
RAW, nothing stops you from parrying an incorporeal attack with a mundane weapon. But your GM probably shouldn't allow it.
Thats a weird thing..
Techincally the parry is an attack. Incorporeal creatures automatically ignore non magical stuff... and non magical attacks can't hurt it.
So I'm pretty sure the specific in thte incorporeal creature beastry thingy is specific enough that the deflect would not work if it was non magical.
Incoporeal stuff
. It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities. It is immune to all nonmagical attack forms
and
An incorporeal creature's attacks pass through (ignore) natural armor, armor, and shields, although deflection bonuses and force effects (such as mage armor) work normally against it.
The parry isn't actually an attack though. Hence the weirdness.
I think it might actually still count as an attack, it takes an AOO usage and an attack roll.
" The swashbuckler makes an attack roll as if she were making an attack of opportunity;"
It's one of those weird "as if" situations that come in pathfinder sadly. i personally think it still counts as an attack. Because you should still be taking penalities and buffs "to hit" that you accrued normally. i.e. power attack penality, any debuffs on you etc. Bard power ups etc.
Since if it's not an attack then almost nothing applies to it. which is a even weirder situation. So since it makes an attack roll all of tha should apply and it should count as an attack..
Well thats my though proccess anyway
Edit: oh and if it isn' attack then shouldn't the incorporeal rules for interacting with non magical non living things come into play? In which it can pass through entirely as long as it remains "one square" from outside of it. So in theory it would still walk through your attempt
eh with a non magical sword i would rule that incorporeal pass through
with a magical sword i would treat it as an "effect" and give it 50% miss
with a ghost touch it would be 100%
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