Well, as for spell books, that's why I would limit to CRB for spell choice. Also, just to be clear, I'll prepare spells as I would if I were running the character with the information available without input from the challenger.
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I might give the level 10 version a go. What were the final character build rules?
PFS rules were decided in the end. Pus crafting tacked on to that but using the Ultimate Campaign rules (can only have gear to 25% more than WBL for one crafting feat, 50% for two or more feats. Gear has to bought at full price.)
PFS uses 20 point buy.
It has restrictions to what can be taken I believe, which may muddy things a bit, but as someone pointed out, it does represent a very large portion of the player base.
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Something else popped into my head too. It is possible that this can be gamed a bit by using other players results to get advantage. Especially if your not using divination and they are.
I can PM certain info, but ultimately this will be public both for people watching on the side lines and also to make sure its not filled with mistrust etc.
I don't know how to deal with that, except to say please don't read other peoples stuff? I'll leave it to trust I guess, otherwise this whole thing is pointless.
Cheers
PFS rules? Fine, but only if the PFS option restrictions aren't applied. That would only demonstrate the power of a certain class in the constraints of the PFS rules, which doesn't say much about the actual system.
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Geeze you're a hard man to please Anzyr. Every time we come up with something that's representative of the majority of games, you change your mind.
However, I'm happy either way. PFS rules for build, no restrictions other than that?
This is beginning to turn into a "this works as long as we play it exactly my way thread".
Still it will give info.
Cheers
Geeze you're a hard man to please Anzyr. Every time we come up with something that's representative of the majority of games, you change your mind.
However, I'm happy either way. PFS rules for build, no restrictions other than that?
This is beginning to turn into a "this works as long as we play it exactly my way thread".
Still it will give info.Cheers
Citation needed.
You don't sound at all condescending, by the way.
Geeze you're a hard man to please Anzyr. Every time we come up with something that's representative of the majority of games, you change your mind.
However, I'm happy either way. PFS rules for build, no restrictions other than that?
This is beginning to turn into a "this works as long as we play it exactly my way thread".
Still it will give info.Cheers
I've been going with RAW the whole time, which is the only viable way to measure the actual Pathfinder options. And I have said as much. Repeatedly. PFS is it's own set of rules and is not Pathfinder RAW. Taking out crafting feats, removing monster manual feats save for specific classes, restricting usable Pathfinder material... using such a ruleset for such a test shows nothing of Pathfinder's actual metrics, merely PFS' metrics.
I know our groups run 20-point buy and use PFS like HP (as an option for those who don't want to roll).
I suggest limiting material to the PRD. That's more restrictive than PFS, but not so restrictive as to be unrepresentative for most games. It also avoids a lot of RAW-grey areas that seems more prevalent in non-PRD material.
I also don't really feel like non-PRD books are rule books, even assuming they are, if casters can get things like blood money and sacred geometry, then you don't need to run a test. And no I really don't care that this would also block out Dervish dance and other non-PRD feat dependent builds.
NOTE: PFS is very different from normal pathfinder to the point it is basically a different game.
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Geeze you're a hard man to please Anzyr. Every time we come up with something that's representative of the majority of games, you change your mind.
However, I'm happy either way. PFS rules for build, no restrictions other than that?
This is beginning to turn into a "this works as long as we play it exactly my way thread".
Still it will give info.Cheers
Citation needed.
You don't sound at all condescending, by the way.
Go back through the thread, it was stated by others that PFS represents a large portion of the player base. My use of the word majority is a bod one, sorry.
And honestly, every time this thread has come to a consensus, Anzyr has found something else to change.
I even suggested only stuff from PRD which is setting neutral and everyone has access to, but that wasn't acceptable as it shut Golarian stuff apparently.
The idea is to get something representative of most game play, because we're trying to find out why many folk don't find the tier system accurate, nor the DPR threads in accurate.
If it's because of a handful of feats and spells, then I guess that tells us something.
A point I would like to make though, if we set the game into a setting, then the setting itself has to have impact on the outcomes. GM decisions are affected by the setting itself.
This is meant to be setting neutral, testing Pathfinder rules.
If we are going complete RAW then we go PRD only, no setting specific material. PRD as it exists on this site, since the pfsrd site has heaps of home brew stuff.
I'm good for 20 point buy.
I am getting a bit tired of people wanting the parameters changed.so there it is. At this point people will accept or not.
If not your call completely. Remembering the idea of the test is to see if the discrepancy in the reality of the game for many people compared to the theory of power etc as used on these boards is because of play style.
Come and play under the standard rules and see if it is.
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Apologies for the tone of that last post. I was tired and not the least bit frustrated. None of you deserved that, least of all you Anzyr.
Unfortunately, it's becoming more apparent that im probably not the best one to run this if it happens. It seems that decisions I am making thinking they are reasonable is not what the consensus seems as reasonable.
It also seems as if my best efforts at impartiality just aren't working. At some time there's going to be a point I'm going to make an action or decisions that's likely to be swayed by my internal thinking rather than impartial.
So, I sadly bow out of running this. If someone else wants to keep it going, I will send the data through and see how it runs.
I have gained more insight into the view if others in why the tier system might be there, though I still feel the premise is based on potential rather than actuality.
Time to step into the shadows for a few days and do some rethinking of why I let posts annoy me so much.
Sorry all, and cheers