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I think maybe human wisdom is an ever-evolving quality rather than a specific set of words, and that the forces that make it evolve disagree often, to include the power and arguments of real life. But Words we read or even say seem akin to fossils left in the path. They set up and dry like stone, unchanging, but the life that left them has already moved on.
If I am right about that then the seeker of wisdom is more like a tracker, spotting trail sign.
Nice analogy. I like it.
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You're absolutely postively correct but for one thing. PFO is in Alpha status, not launch. Champagne may have been smashed over the hull of our luxury liner, but she's far from finished.
Aren't his concerns specifically related to what the status of the game should be when it launches?
When do you consider her 'finished'? Early enrollment was meant to begin last week and will start relatively soon. How much farther will she be when that happens?
I would consider Early Enrollment as basically a closed beta test, to allow access to only those chosen (in this case paid money ahead of time) to gain access to the game in a state which is playable but barely and definitely not in a gold/stable state.
Things like graphics improvements which still need to happen.
Skill changes
Achievment gates
AH just went in, trading is likely to be bugged somewhere too
Crafting continues but could use improvement not everything is in
Network stabilization-desync issues, player capacity/load issues on server instances, have many more than 25 players been in one area at the same time to drag down performance?
General combat improvements, whack a mole animations playing after combat ends on server displayed on client.
I have been an mmorpg designer, this is definitely an alpha build, it's got plenty of things to fix. I think the crowdforge idea should help prioritize some things but i'm sure they have their own little list going on duct taped to the whiteboard.
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I would consider Early Enrollment as basically a closed beta test, to allow access to only those chosen (in this case paid money ahead of time) to gain access to the game in a state which is playable but barely and definitely not in a gold/stable state.
Things like graphics improvements which still need to happen.
Skill changes
Achievment gates
AH just went in, trading is likely to be bugged somewhere too
Crafting continues but could use improvement not everything is in
Network stabilization-desync issues, player capacity/load issues on server instances, have many more than 25 players been in one area at the same time to drag down performance?
General combat improvements, whack a mole animations playing after combat ends on server displayed on client.I have been an mmorpg designer, this is definitely an alpha build, it's got plenty of things to fix. I think the crowdforge idea should help prioritize some things but i'm sure they have their own little list going on duct taped to the whiteboard.
Have you ever participated in a closed beta for an MMO where there was no planned character wipe? What was the state of the game when player data became permanently persistent?
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...the mad wolf from TK has moved up there...Yah, he was there last night as well...
Saddest thing about the crash was I was holding a stack of +3 recipes .. Golden Crystal , Azure Crystal etc for another keeper who had not been able to logon for a few days. She was going to use them to start full production of high plus versions of all the wands and staffs ... all gone now, so sad.
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Saddest thing about the crash was I was holding a stack of +3 recipes .. Golden Crystal , Azure Crystal etc for another keeper who had not been able to logon for a few days. She was going to use them to start full production of high plus versions of all the wands and staffs ... all gone now, so sad....the mad wolf from TK has moved up there...Yah, he was there last night as well...
Ouch!
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My 2 CP as a total noob to MMORPGs.
Of course alpha has bugs that are being worked out, but that doesn't bother me much because this feels like the free sample to me. I paid to get in to beta, and these characters are getting wiped so I don't feel very bad when I screw up and waste XP on dumb stuff or the game glitches something in my inventory out of existence. It's irksome, but as far as I am concerned it's like getting free food while the cook perfects their food.
I know beta won't be perfect or complete, but I would rather GW hammer out the major flaws during the "free samples" phase.
My 2 CP. :)
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My 2 CP as a total noob to MMORPGs.
Of course alpha has bugs that are being worked out, but that doesn't bother me much because this feels like the free sample to me. I paid to get in to beta, and these characters are getting wiped so I don't feel very bad when I screw up and waste XP on dumb stuff or the game glitches something in my inventory out of existence. It's irksome, but as far as I am concerned it's like getting free food while the cook perfects their food.
I know beta won't be perfect or complete, but I would rather GW hammer out the major flaws during the "free samples" phase.
My 2 CP. :)
Yeah true it is Alpha.
Not only is it free but we can have up to 3 characters per invite (although I only ever used the one invite myself, running 6 or even 9 chars in Alpha would have left me no life). So all in all we get a pretty good deal.
But by the same token we were all set to test out +1/+2 versions of all 5 T1 wands and all 5 T1 staffs when she got back from her trip later today so losing all the recipes was something of a setback. Disappointing.
When I log back in will check the bank (do I have to walk back to TK to see the TK bank?) in case the game moved stuff there but I suspect they are just gone.
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Have you ever participated in a closed beta for an MMO where there was no planned character wipe? What was the state of the game when player data became permanently persistent?
I've participated in many closed beta's but none that I can recall where there was not a player wipe at the end of closed beta.
However, In SWG live/gold after several years, that game basically did a 100% player wipe and made all previous characters (skill based) into a class based system effectively wiping everything you had done in the previous 5 yrs of game play. We called it being NGE'd.
As far as state of the game for it...well, They also changed it from a sandboxed MMO to a theme park MMO in the process adding millions of quests etc. Thousands of players dumped it like a hot rock, including my guild of 500 as I was one of the last 3 members of Knights of Kauri on our server before logging off for the final time myself.
To your point though, most mmo's when the reach the END of the closed beta state though are more or less feature complete minus a few here or there and then the roll up into open beta where they start doing stress testing and bringing in thousands of players to try to get a judge of how many servers they need to spin up for gold release and to wet the whistle of would be customers. No mmo is truly finished as its an always updating content system some devs are more apt to update more often than others though.
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I think fear is a bigger issue for me than entitlement.
I get that its an Alpha, and it'll have bugs, but currently it is, in fact, unplayable for me. That is, it consistently crashes within a minute or two of entering the world.
I would be less concerned if the EE timeline wasn't just around the corner (and a corner that's been pushed back several times). I have this sinking fear that the "closed beta" (to use the common analogy here) that I paid for will also be unplayable for me.
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Have the devs mentioned any optimization or general code-tightening that will be associated with EE? I understand that we're currently running on buggy, unoptimized Alpha code, but Alpha is coming to an end soon. Do we know when GW plans to start smoothing out the code, bringing the processing requirements to a less intensive level, etc?
Note: I'm not asking about graphics improvements at all. I'm just wondering when we can expect the code to run smoothly without requiring a brand new, high-end computer.
Several people have mentioned that PFO currently requires as much processing power as a AAA graphics-intensive game, without providing the graphics that would usually come with those requirements. The go-to answer has been "This is unoptimized Alpha code." Will PFO still be an unoptimized resource hog on EE day?
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The game is unplayable because you guys are not putting up enough stuff on the auctionhouse so I can work it(and feed my crafter)!
Get online and gather!
WTB Hemp Twine +2, Yew Stave +2 and Steel Sheet +2 recipe!
Exactly. The auction houses are almost empty. I need recipes "Steel Plate +2&+3", "Steel Ingot +1,+2&+3", "Basic Hide Sheet +2&+3" and "Weak Varnish +1,+2&+3". Oh, and of course the recipes Tyncale mentions.
So get out there you warriors and kill things! I am in Rathglen (over 20 recipes in AH btw <=advertisement).
For the record: just kidding. Have fun testing Alpha!
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Hi Hogar. :) I have been thinking about hoofing it to Rathglen, I hear it is the busiest town after Thornkeep. My characters hail from Ossian Crossing and I have been trekking back and forth between there and Thornkeep most of my time. Quit a trip, but worthwhile if you take down the smaller groups of Ogres (preferably the duo's), and off course it is a very nice route because you walk right next to a cliff most of the time, with the countryside to the right stretching out below you.
This morning I went to Humbersomething to the East and South of TK, but found the mobs mostly starved of recipes and Spells. Had more luck with those near Ossian. Probably just an RNG thing but still. Lots of nodes though.
How's Rathglen for loot? I'll be sure to check out the AH there!
WTB Fast Travel!
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Hi Hogar. :) I have been thinking about hoofing it to Rathglen, I hear it is the busiest town after Thornkeep. My characters hail from Ossian Crossing and I have been trekking back and forth between there and Thornkeep most of my time. Quit a trip, but worthwhile if you take down the smaller groups of Ogres (preferably the duo's), and off course it is a very nice route because you walk right next to a cliff most of the time, with the countryside to the right stretching out below you.
This morning I went to Humbersomething to the East and South of TK, but found the mobs mostly starved of recipes and Spells. Had more luck with those near Ossian. Probably just an RNG thing but still. Lots of nodes though.
How's Rathglen for loot? I'll be sure to check out the AH there!
WTB Fast Travel!
Rathglen has lot of skeleton escalation around it, and they seem to drop a lot of weapons. I have put weapons in the AH, but no takers.
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I put stuff on the Phoenix Pass AH just to try to seed it. So stop by (or move) there if you are looking for mats or recipes for sale.
I believe firmly in local AHs to make settlements matter. We just need people to put stuff on their local AH to get the ball rolling...If you can't use it, then just sell it for fun (for now.)
I only wish the AH had a 'only show items for sale' feature!
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The game is unplayable because you guys are not putting up enough stuff on the auctionhouse so I can work it(and feed my crafter)!
Get online and gather!
WTB Hemp Twine +2, Yew Stave +2 and Steel Sheet +2 recipe!
Exactly. The auction houses are almost empty. I need recipes "Steel Plate +2&+3", "Steel Ingot +1,+2&+3", "Basic Hide Sheet +2&+3" and "Weak Varnish +1,+2&+3". Oh, and of course the recipes Tyncale mentions.
So get out there you warriors and kill things! I am in Rathglen (over 20 recipes in AH btw <=advertisement).
For the record: just kidding. Have fun testing Alpha!
Recipe: Steel Plate +3 is now up on the Thornkeep AH (unless someone bought it already). You're welcome. :)
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Recipe: Steel Plate +3 is now up on the Thornkeep AH (unless someone bought it already). You're welcome. :)The game is unplayable because you guys are not putting up enough stuff on the auctionhouse so I can work it(and feed my crafter)!
Get online and gather!
WTB Hemp Twine +2, Yew Stave +2 and Steel Sheet +2 recipe!
Exactly. The auction houses are almost empty. I need recipes "Steel Plate +2&+3", "Steel Ingot +1,+2&+3", "Basic Hide Sheet +2&+3" and "Weak Varnish +1,+2&+3". Oh, and of course the recipes Tyncale mentions.
So get out there you warriors and kill things! I am in Rathglen (over 20 recipes in AH btw <=advertisement).
For the record: just kidding. Have fun testing Alpha!
Dude, what are you doing to me? After I read this, I have not been scrambling to log in so fast anymore, since my virgin days in '99 when I had just discovered Everquest!
Patching, patching, patching.......grrrr.
Cal, I'll definately be back in Ossian too. It's my hometown! To be honest, even without fast travel the distances between the towns are not a huge hurdle to me, but I am sure this has to do with the fact that the world is still a pretty safe place. :)
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How's Rathglen for loot? I'll be sure to check out the AH there!
Rathglen has the "double/tripple starter goblin" bug. They drop more and better recipes than the bonedancer escalation mobs nw of Rathglen.
But i think it's stupid to exploit an obvious bug, so i stopped farming them.
Recipe: Steel Plate +3 is now up on the Thornkeep AH (unless someone bought it already). You're welcome. :)
Thanks. I will give TK another try. Have been there 2 times since the dsynch troubles and haven't had any problems. So i'll take a look.
Ozem's Vigil is abandoning Rathglen for Ossian's this week, so you may wish to reconsider.
Maybe i'll set up my shop there, too.
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You guys know all of this is going to be wiped in a couple weeks right? I wouldn't put so much effort in, risking getting burned out, when it's all going to be reset anyway.
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Yes, I have been thinking of letting it rest for a while, but on the other hand, I am finally learning a few of the ropes now, and that will help me when EE starts. SO I try not to get too attached to the wealth I am currently accumulating, and my gear and all the recipes and spells I am learning.....
"With our own settlements entering play today"
Wait, what??
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"With our own settlements entering play today"
Wait, what??
There will be placeholder Settlements for every Guild that won a Settlement during the Land Rush. We won't have direct control over these until after the War of Towers, but I expect most gravitate to the placeholder Settlement that will one day become their own.
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Yes, I have been thinking of letting it rest for a while, but on the other hand, I am finally learning a few of the ropes now, and that will help me when EE starts. SO I try not to get too attached to the wealth I am currently accumulating, and my gear and all the recipes and spells I am learning.....
Yeah, that wealth is important! I got 6 silver in the bank! All that cash! And no girl to spend it on.
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There will be placeholder Settlements for every Guild that won a Settlement during the Land Rush. We won't have direct control over these until after the War of Towers, but I expect most gravitate to the placeholder Settlement that will one day become their own."With our own settlements entering play today"
Wait, what??
Cool new graphics.
What do the new Exp windows mean?