Dreamscarred Press Announces: Path of War Expanded!


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I'd like to introduce you all to our newest Iconic, the Iconic Privateer: Isabel Carina Fierro De la Fuente, captain of La Espina de Rosa.

Isabel Carina Fierro De la Fuente:

Backstory:

Isabel is a pirate princess. Her daddy is a notorious pirate and mercenary and taught her how to fight and sail from the day she could walk. She demanded that he buy her a ship for her coming of age so that she could be a real pirate like him. Of course, since she's daddy's little princess he wanted to make sure she wasn't in any REAL danger, so he put her in charge of one of the ships in his fleet.

She's kind of Captain-in-name-only at this point, most of the goings on are run by her first mate and the ship's navigator, and the crew mostly obeys her out of fear or respect for her parentage. But she's a crack shot and a good swordswoman, so she'd going to make a name for herself no matter what.

Isabel's father, Antonio Domingo Abarca De la Fuente, is a man of ambition. He's incredibly driven, and he lets nothing stand in the way of fulfilling his dream of founding his own kingdom. That's his ambition and he's done both incredibly noble and obscenely heinous things in pursuit of creating a real Pirate Kingdom. The only thing that can draw his attention away from the little nation he's carved for himself is his wife and daughter.


Now that's some Art you got there. Who made that?


The Ragi wrote:
Now that's some Art you got there. Who made that?

The artist is Gordon Napier. I'm pretty fond of how it turned out, it suits Isabel's personality pretty well.


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And today I have the Iconic Hussar for you to meet: Barnabas Gorski, Halfling Goatrider

Barnabas Gorski:

Backstory:

Barnabas Gorski was an immigrant Halfling with few prospects. Being both small and a foreigner meant that he didn’t have much chance for social advancement, but with a war brewing on the eastern border, the army was willing to take just about anyone and Barnabas knew that nothing got the ladies’ attention like a shiny new uniform. He’d always had luck with animals, and so he joined a newly formed Hussar unit. When he showed up for his first day riding a goat, the junior officers nearly beat him to death, until his goat Roch launched himself at the officers and scattered them. The Colonel found it so funny that he gave Barnabas a field promotion then and there, and told him to recruit more halflings to fill out his unit. Fresh faced and with the taste of glory on his lips, Barnabas Gorski looks forward to the day he can lead his men into battle.

This illustration also brought to you courtesy of Gordon Napier.


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Today I have the Bushi Iconic to share with you all!

Toshiro:

Backstory:

Ruroni na Oni no Toshiro is wanted for the murder of the noble samurai Ryugame Shishio and the theft of the Ryugame family's heirloom sword. Considered highly dangerous, he is constantly on the run, though his incredible skill with the blade has brought low any attempt to bring him to justice.

What is not commonly known though, is that Toshiro is Shishio's grandson and fought Ryugame Shishio in an honorable duel to avenge the death and dishonor of Toshiro's mother at the hands of her father.

The Bushi art is also by Gordon Napier.


Elricaltovilla wrote:


Today I have the Bushi Iconic to share with you all!

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

The Bushi art is also by Gordon Napier.

For some reason I feel like he is a Brutal Slayer archetype Stalker Bushi


Insain Dragoon wrote:
Elricaltovilla wrote:


Today I have the Bushi Iconic to share with you all!

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

The Bushi art is also by Gordon Napier.

For some reason I feel like he is a Brutal Slayer archetype Stalker Bushi

Zweihander Sentinel Warder Bushi, actually. I had him written up before I wrote Brutal Slayer.


Sorry if this was answered before, but will the Path of War be compiled into 1 rule book much like Psionics Expanded? If so do you know whwen that might happen?


Typelouder wrote:
Sorry if this was answered before, but will the Path of War be compiled into 1 rule book much like Psionics Expanded? If so do you know whwen that might happen?

It has been, they have no time frame.


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Typelouder wrote:
Sorry if this was answered before, but will the Path of War be compiled into 1 rule book much like Psionics Expanded? If so do you know whwen that might happen?

There has been talk of an Ultimate Warpath book, but their current position is "we'd love to do it, but it's not on the schedule". Personally, I'd wait for news until after they've done the PoW errata, and maybe a PoW:E errata.


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I purchased the Path of War: Expanded subscription on the DSP website. I'm a bit disappointed... I'll just copy+paste the review I left there. I don't recommend shelling the money out yet.

"Thus far, I'm a bit disappointed- the two classes I received at the time of this purchase, Harbinger and Mystic, seem much rougher than I've come to expect from DSP.

Harbinger is poorly edited, with the second column of page 5 and the first column of page 6 obviously switched by mistake, and the Dark Claim feature is unclear and makes it sound like perhaps it was supposed to do something else that didn't make it into the text of the document.

Likewise, there are issues with the Mystic. At first level, it says you get to choose 2 of your five readied maneuvers to be granted to you. It then says at the end of each round, another maneuver is granted to you, and says "again, randomly determined". Obviously there is a mistake here, but whether that mistake is that my initial two maneuvers are supposed to be randomly determined, or if that quoted sentence is the result of poor editing, I have no way of knowing for now.

I am a big fan of DSP, and I am really excited for this content, but I thought that if this stuff was at the stage you felt it merited customers paying for it it would have progressed beyond the playtest document in terms of product quality. Come on guys, I know you can do better than this.

Here's hoping I eventually get my money's worth. 3 stars for now, mostly for effort."


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Michael Haneline wrote:

I purchased the Path of War: Expanded subscription on the DSP website. I'm a bit disappointed... I'll just copy+paste the review I left there. I don't recommend shelling the money out yet.

"Thus far, I'm a bit disappointed- the two classes I received at the time of this purchase, Harbinger and Mystic, seem much rougher than I've come to expect from DSP.

Harbinger is poorly edited, with the second column of page 5 and the first column of page 6 obviously switched by mistake, and the Dark Claim feature is unclear and makes it sound like perhaps it was supposed to do something else that didn't make it into the text of the document.

Likewise, there are issues with the Mystic. At first level, it says you get to choose 2 of your five readied maneuvers to be granted to you. It then says at the end of each round, another maneuver is granted to you, and says "again, randomly determined". Obviously there is a mistake here, but whether that mistake is that my initial two maneuvers are supposed to be randomly determined, or if that quoted sentence is the result of poor editing, I have no way of knowing for now.

I am a big fan of DSP, and I am really excited for this content, but I thought that if this stuff was at the stage you felt it merited customers paying for it it would have progressed beyond the playtest document in terms of product quality. Come on guys, I know you can do better than this.

Here's hoping I eventually get my money's worth. 3 stars for now, mostly for effort."

Michael, thank you for your purchase and feedback. Much of what you've noted as issues has been corrected for the final release (and will be propagated to the individual releases as well when the time comes). In truth, we've been continuing to edit the documents and received yet more feedback since both Harbinger and Mystic were released. Part of the issue with the Harbinger and Mystic is that we brought a new editor on board too late to help with those releases, so we focused on the full release with the intent to put our new editor's skills to their best possible use. I'm sure that you'll find the changes made since that time to be more than satisfactory. Thank you again for the support, and if you have any additional feedback or questions I'm happy to assist you.


I'm excited to announce that I'll be doing a livestream interview on Twitch this Tuesday (March 8th) at 8 PM EST. The channel is called Exploding Dice and you can also tweet in questions to @Askren during the show or post them on the channel itself.


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Hey everybody, it's me your friendly Official Unofficial Liason!

I'm super happy to announce that Path of War: Expanded is now available for purchase as a complete PDF! It'll be available here on Paizo in a few hours, but is available on our site right now just follow the link!

Path of War: Expanded


Downloading on my phone! Very excited to see what changed from playtest docs!


Good to know. Now just waiting for Paizo store to catch up!


Paces like an expectant father....


will the option to get the B&W print version be available on here, or just through the official site?


pulseoptional wrote:
will the option to get the B&W print version be available on here, or just through the official site?

The plan is that the B&W print option will be available for sale on this website, yes. Print orders usually come a bit after the PDF's release, but the preorder option for it will hopefully be available later this week*.

*All timetables given are subject to change without notice and at the whims of the great overlord Cthulhu.


Elricaltovilla wrote:
pulseoptional wrote:
will the option to get the B&W print version be available on here, or just through the official site?

The plan is that the B&W print option will be available for sale on this website, yes. Print orders usually come a bit after the PDF's release, but the preorder option for it will hopefully be available later this week*.

*All timetables given are subject to change without notice and at the whims of the great overlord Cthulhu.

I just did it through the core site. I was only asking because I was mass acquiring, and wanted to just kill 3 birds with one stone. So, end of April, hurry up.


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Elricaltovilla wrote:

Hey everybody, it's me your friendly Official Unofficial Liason!

I'm super happy to announce that Path of War: Expanded is now available for purchase as a complete PDF! It'll be available here on Paizo in a few hours, but is available on our site right now just follow the link!

Path of War: Expanded

I subscribed to the PoW:Expanded series when they first announced it, but I purchased the subscription from another online retailer. Does that mean I have to wait for it to become available from that retailer before I can download the finished product?


DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Elricaltovilla wrote:

Hey everybody, it's me your friendly Official Unofficial Liason!

I'm super happy to announce that Path of War: Expanded is now available for purchase as a complete PDF! It'll be available here on Paizo in a few hours, but is available on our site right now just follow the link!

Path of War: Expanded

I subscribed to the PoW:Expanded series when they first announced it, but I purchased the subscription from another online retailer. Does that mean I have to wait for it to become available from that retailer before I can download the finished product?

Afraid so, my friend. I believe Open Gaming Store just got its copy up and running, if they're the ones you're awaiting.


It was and I got it! It looks great!


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IT. LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVESSSSSSSSSSS!


Congratulations gentlemen. Can't wait to get home and download the full thing to look through it all. The Work-in-Progress I downloaded had some of my favorite things to date in it, and I'm sure it will continue to be better.


I haven't had a chance to do much more than skim through it, but I really like what I've seen so far. I'm working on my game for this weekend (and have hit a wall, actually) so I'm brainstorming for it rather than reading the PoW:E book at the moment. But I'll get to it next week!


I'll throw down my question here as well. What core classes get archetypes in Path of War Expanded?


Scavion wrote:
I'll throw down my question here as well. What core classes get archetypes in Path of War Expanded?

Rogue, Monk, Fighter, Barbarian, Bard, & Paladin got normal archetypes.

Alchemist & Inquisitor share the Polymath class template.

Warpriest & Inquisitor share the Warpath Follower class template.

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Prince of Knives wrote:
Scavion wrote:
I'll throw down my question here as well. What core classes get archetypes in Path of War Expanded?

Rogue, Monk, Fighter, Barbarian, Bard, & Paladin got normal archetypes.

Alchemist & Inquisitor share the Polymath class template.

Warpriest & Inquisitor share the Warpath Follower class template.

I believe you mean "Alchemist & Investigator". :)


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Lindley Court wrote:
Prince of Knives wrote:
Scavion wrote:
I'll throw down my question here as well. What core classes get archetypes in Path of War Expanded?

Rogue, Monk, Fighter, Barbarian, Bard, & Paladin got normal archetypes.

Alchemist & Inquisitor share the Polymath class template.

Warpriest & Inquisitor share the Warpath Follower class template.

I believe you mean "Alchemist & Investigator". :)

There is no war in Ba Sing Se >.>


So, just got the PDF on Sunday. Havent read through all the finer details yet, but I do very much want to play a Ravenlord as soon as I can.

Question. I skimmed through this thread over a couple days before purchasing the pdf, and I saw mention of a Summoner archtype that let both Summoner and Eidolon use maneuvers. Mirrored Soul, I think it was? Im not seeing that in the PDF. Am I to assume that it was scrapped?


DHAnubis wrote:

So, just got the PDF on Sunday. Havent read through all the finer details yet, but I do very much want to play a Ravenlord as soon as I can.

Question. I skimmed through this thread over a couple days before purchasing the pdf, and I saw mention of a Summoner archtype that let both Summoner and Eidolon use maneuvers. Mirrored Soul, I think it was? Im not seeing that in the PDF. Am I to assume that it was scrapped?

Mirror Soul came up very late in the development cycle, it was an idea that was floated with enough backing to have some material written for it. However, it did not have the time to be properly vetted through playtesting or Dev investigation, so it was never added to Path of War: Expanded.

Perhaps we'll explore the idea further down the line, but for now, Mirror Soul has been scrapped.


Elricaltovilla wrote:
DHAnubis wrote:

So, just got the PDF on Sunday. Havent read through all the finer details yet, but I do very much want to play a Ravenlord as soon as I can.

Question. I skimmed through this thread over a couple days before purchasing the pdf, and I saw mention of a Summoner archtype that let both Summoner and Eidolon use maneuvers. Mirrored Soul, I think it was? Im not seeing that in the PDF. Am I to assume that it was scrapped?

Mirror Soul came up very late in the development cycle, it was an idea that was floated with enough backing to have some material written for it. However, it did not have the time to be properly vetted through playtesting or Dev investigation, so it was never added to Path of War: Expanded.

Perhaps we'll explore the idea further down the line, but for now, Mirror Soul has been scrapped.

Makes sense to me. Thanks for the reply.


Sorry if this isn't the place for it, or if it's already been addressed, but here goes:

Crimson Countess Harbinger Archetype. Crimson Claim (Su) ability, what kind of damage is it?
Is it susceptible to DR, are creatures with immunity to bleed susceptible to it? Most importantly, does Hardness apply to it.

Thanks for your answers.


Elfabet wrote:

Sorry if this isn't the place for it, or if it's already been addressed, but here goes:

Crimson Countess Harbinger Archetype. Crimson Claim (Su) ability, what kind of damage is it?
Is it susceptible to DR, are creatures with immunity to bleed susceptible to it? Most importantly, does Hardness apply to it.

Thanks for your answers.

It's untyped damage and works as such. Hardness works, but DR does not.


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Attention PoW:E fans!

The Path of War: Expanded PDF has been updated to fix the errors that were in the original run. So make sure to go to the website you purchased your PoW:E PDF and download the PDF again to get the updated version!


Don't forget to update the WiP as well - it's still showing the last update as "Mar 16, 2016".


Wow, that was fast! Downloading as soon as I get home. :)


Elricaltovilla wrote:

Attention PoW:E fans!

The Path of War: Expanded PDF has been updated to fix the errors that were in the original run. So make sure to go to the website you purchased your PoW:E PDF and download the PDF again to get the updated version!

Does this mean there is another set of planned errata?


Air0r wrote:
Elricaltovilla wrote:

Attention PoW:E fans!

The Path of War: Expanded PDF has been updated to fix the errors that were in the original run. So make sure to go to the website you purchased your PoW:E PDF and download the PDF again to get the updated version!

Does this mean there is another set of planned errata?

...No? Why would it?


just how it was worded. my bad.


Michael Haneline wrote:

I purchased the Path of War: Expanded subscription on the DSP website. I'm a bit disappointed... I'll just copy+paste the review I left there. I don't recommend shelling the money out yet.

"Thus far, I'm a bit disappointed- the two classes I received at the time of this purchase, Harbinger and Mystic, seem much rougher than I've come to expect from DSP.

Harbinger is poorly edited, with the second column of page 5 and the first column of page 6 obviously switched by mistake, and the Dark Claim feature is unclear and makes it sound like perhaps it was supposed to do something else that didn't make it into the text of the document.

Likewise, there are issues with the Mystic. At first level, it says you get to choose 2 of your five readied maneuvers to be granted to you. It then says at the end of each round, another maneuver is granted to you, and says "again, randomly determined". Obviously there is a mistake here, but whether that mistake is that my initial two maneuvers are supposed to be randomly determined, or if that quoted sentence is the result of poor editing, I have no way of knowing for now.

I am a big fan of DSP, and I am really excited for this content, but I thought that if this stuff was at the stage you felt it merited customers paying for it it would have progressed beyond the playtest document in terms of product quality. Come on guys, I know you can do better than this.

Here's hoping I eventually get my money's worth. 3 stars for now, mostly for effort."

I couldn't agree more! The first Path of War was amazing, but expanded is just average.


for now the only request I would make (until I dig a bit deeper) would be to clarify the wording of one of the Aegis Customizations (Additional Maneuvers) so that it can't be misinterpreted as giving 1 maneuver to all three of your disciplines with subsequent selections of the customization.


jeremiah dodson 812 wrote:
Michael Haneline wrote:

I purchased the Path of War: Expanded subscription on the DSP website. I'm a bit disappointed... I'll just copy+paste the review I left there. I don't recommend shelling the money out yet.

"Thus far, I'm a bit disappointed- the two classes I received at the time of this purchase, Harbinger and Mystic, seem much rougher than I've come to expect from DSP.

Harbinger is poorly edited, with the second column of page 5 and the first column of page 6 obviously switched by mistake, and the Dark Claim feature is unclear and makes it sound like perhaps it was supposed to do something else that didn't make it into the text of the document.

Likewise, there are issues with the Mystic. At first level, it says you get to choose 2 of your five readied maneuvers to be granted to you. It then says at the end of each round, another maneuver is granted to you, and says "again, randomly determined". Obviously there is a mistake here, but whether that mistake is that my initial two maneuvers are supposed to be randomly determined, or if that quoted sentence is the result of poor editing, I have no way of knowing for now.

I am a big fan of DSP, and I am really excited for this content, but I thought that if this stuff was at the stage you felt it merited customers paying for it it would have progressed beyond the playtest document in terms of product quality. Come on guys, I know you can do better than this.

Here's hoping I eventually get my money's worth. 3 stars for now, mostly for effort."

I couldn't agree more! The first Path of War was amazing, but expanded is just average.

What makes you feel that expanded is average compared to the original? I find them mostly even myself, though expanded has way more content in it.


jeremiah dodson 812 wrote:
Michael Haneline wrote:

I purchased the Path of War: Expanded subscription on the DSP website. I'm a bit disappointed... I'll just copy+paste the review I left there. I don't recommend shelling the money out yet.

"Thus far, I'm a bit disappointed- the two classes I received at the time of this purchase, Harbinger and Mystic, seem much rougher than I've come to expect from DSP.

Harbinger is poorly edited, with the second column of page 5 and the first column of page 6 obviously switched by mistake, and the Dark Claim feature is unclear and makes it sound like perhaps it was supposed to do something else that didn't make it into the text of the document.

Likewise, there are issues with the Mystic. At first level, it says you get to choose 2 of your five readied maneuvers to be granted to you. It then says at the end of each round, another maneuver is granted to you, and says "again, randomly determined". Obviously there is a mistake here, but whether that mistake is that my initial two maneuvers are supposed to be randomly determined, or if that quoted sentence is the result of poor editing, I have no way of knowing for now.

I am a big fan of DSP, and I am really excited for this content, but I thought that if this stuff was at the stage you felt it merited customers paying for it it would have progressed beyond the playtest document in terms of product quality. Come on guys, I know you can do better than this.

Here's hoping I eventually get my money's worth. 3 stars for now, mostly for effort."

I couldn't agree more! The first Path of War was amazing, but expanded is just average.

Considering that you quoted a review that specifically cited editing issues, I have to ask: Have you downloaded the latest version of the PDF? We announced it and put it up a few days ago. It addresses nearly everything in the post you quoted and then some.


sorry if this doesn't belong here. but i looked on the message boards pertaining to Martial Training feats from PoW. my question is if you are playing a Stalker, could you use Martial Training 1 to get the Cursed Razor discipline and then would it be considered one of your disciplines? if so, then i could use the Stalker's natural progression of martial maneuvers for Cursed Razor, correct?


Tienmo wrote:
sorry if this doesn't belong here. but i looked on the message boards pertaining to Martial Training feats from PoW. my question is if you are playing a Stalker, could you use Martial Training 1 to get the Cursed Razor discipline and then would it be considered one of your disciplines? if so, then i could use the Stalker's natural progression of martial maneuvers for Cursed Razor, correct?

I do not think it works that way.


k. then what about, say a fighter, taking Martial Training 1 and getting the Steel Serpent discipline. with next feat (or bonus feat) he again takes MT1, but this time he gets the Solar Wind discipline. now, when he takes MT2, would he be able to choose one maneuver from each discipline and a stance from either? or would both maneuvers and stance have to come from same discipline?


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...My understanding is that as a general rule, you can't take a Feat more than once unless it specifically says so. (i.e. "A creature can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time the creature takes this feat, it applies to a different X.". Martial Training doesn't say you can take it more than once, so...)


k.thnx

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