Left field Samsaran Flame Dancer help


Advice


I love Bards, and noticed the two new archies in the ACG,in particular the Flame Dancer (FD) as it adds non-class spells to your spell list, unfortunately not until level 8 where you gain burning hands, flaming sphere & fireball as 1st, 2nd & 3rd level spells.
If you add this to probably the worst optimized spell casting class that Samsarans can enhance you get some possible very interesting builds.

Firstly you really need to Max out you Cha to 18 (Samsarans gain +2 to Int & Wis, and -2 to Con) which give us a pool of 5 (class ability grants mental stat +1) to buy in 5 spells that can be added to any level regardless of whether you can cast them yet or not.
As I'm fully sold on a Bard here (they keep inspire courage and have great spell lists and flavour) and the FD grants us wizard spells I'm stuck as to which spells to pick.
In happy investing in Focus/Gr.Focus to bump up save DC's and metamagic for AoE dazing plus whatever fits but fits what!
Still I'm not getting any further with this build.

Should I just pick the highest rated non-bard wiz/sorc spells each level (and what the hell are those??? ) or go with a more utility approach, or even a super highly specialized buffer to rule them all baring in mind at 8th level I can metamagic the 3 freebies from FD and practically never need another blast spell again (also depending of metamagic option taken)

Please Heeeelp


A Bard with basically 8 hand picked wizard spells has got have some pretty awesome potential somewhere or other, surely?


The other thought that crossed my poor, weak eggshell mind that this build, at best wouldn't have any melee potential or even much ranged potency as I'll have to plunder both Int and Wis for that 18 in Cha and some kind of non-laughable constitution (albeit having mirror image as a reliable defense strategy ) it seems unlikely that I'll have points left over to have a decent Dex to open up bow usage although ranged touch attacks could be an realistic option,and less feat sapping.
So I guess the build would very much be a mage type (perhaps what the magician should have been all along.
Pre-buff you're mates - heroism etc
Buff you're mates - haste
Ruin the monsters day - slow/fireball/battlefield control.


No one like the idea of bard with 8 wizard spells?


Wizard spells you wish were on her Bard list please - would be a less long winded way of asking the same question!


Samsaran Bard...

NO SORCEROR/WIZARD SPELLS!

You need to pick Summoner spells. They have the same caster level progression, and you can beef up your monster summoning abilities, grab haste as a second-level spell and a few other lovely things:

Wall of Fire/Ice etc at 3rd Level, Teleport at 4th Level (or greater at 5th), but one of the best options is Maze (6th level) if you're not playing PFS, and plenty of other options.

P.S. I'm fairly certain you can only pick these abilities at first level, so you'd have to use the retraining rules to get the extras at a later point.

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