Consecrate, Commune, etc... Scrolls and deities question


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In a campaign, I, as a player, bought a scroll of Commune from a cleric.

A question appeared: Does the deity for a commune/consecrate/other spell is bound by the scribe of the scroll, or by the one who use the scroll ?

Is it the same for wands and other magic items ? I think it is, but I prefer to ask.

If you could quote and link to the relative rules, it would be very pleasant.


CRB p477 Potions wrote:
Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn’t get to make any decisions about the effect—the caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect).
CRB p490 Scrolls wrote:
Determine Effect: A spell successfully activated from a scroll works exactly like a spell prepared and cast the normal way. Assume the scroll spell’s caster level is always the minimum level required to cast the spell for the character who scribed the scroll, unless the scriber specifically desired otherwise.

Scrolls, Wands, and Staves do not have the restriction that Potions do but it can be assumed that the restriction Potions have does not apply to them since it is not stated.


Thank you! I can't believe I didn't find it the first time.

Great to know to about potions too. I hoped you could have potions of protection against destructive energies without choosing the one before. Bah!


HectorVivis wrote:

In a campaign, I, as a player, bought a scroll of Commune from a cleric.

A question appeared: Does the deity for a commune/consecrate/other spell is bound by the scribe of the scroll, or by the one who use the scroll ?

Is it the same for wands and other magic items ? I think it is, but I prefer to ask.

If you could quote and link to the relative rules, it would be very pleasant.

As an aside from the RAW (and the RAI, I'm sure), I've always found it inappropriate that divine magic could be bottled up and sold in mass-produced fashion, either by potion, wand or scroll, to anyone with a little coin in their pockets, regardless of what purpose that magic might be used for. We house-ruled in that only a follower of the same faith as he who created the wand or scribed the scroll could make use of it, and did away with divine magic potions completely... for the moment we're just presuming that healing potions and wands found were crafted by other classes like Alchemists and Druids.


So you house rule that divine magic potions don't exist but Druids can make potions?

CRB p49 Druid spells wrote:
A druid casts divine spells which are drawn from the druid spell list presented in Chapter 10.

Hmmmm :)


Gauss wrote:

So you house rule that divine magic potions don't exist but Druids can make potions?

CRB p49 Druid spells wrote:
A druid casts divine spells which are drawn from the druid spell list presented in Chapter 10.
Hmmmm :)

That's a minor quibble. Druidic magic is technically divine magic in Pathfinder, yes, but that's only because they limit the origins of magical power so severely. They have a different spell list with spells unique only to them, so I'm comfortable saying their magic is drawn from some primal or First World source. That's just flavor anyway.


Then perhaps you should rephrase your statement as 'deific magic'? :)


Gauss wrote:
Then perhaps you should rephrase your statement as 'deific magic'? :)

Perhaps... if you think it that important, considering its a house-rule.


It doesn't bother me. It's like holy water, but more potent.

It's a power like another, with its ritual, component and stuff.

From the point of view of a deity, it's a good weapon of "mass marketing", sold by their priests.

What mustn't be forgotten is that those same priests probably must watch out to who they are selling this power. (Huuu, I'm totally unsure if this sentence is right).

A cleric of Serenrae won't probably sell his scrolls to a worshipper of Norgober.

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