paizo.com Recent Posts in Broken Paladin rulingpaizo.com Recent Posts in Broken Paladin ruling2015-05-22T22:09:18Z2015-05-22T22:09:18ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingDevilkillerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#502015-05-26T10:23:22Z2015-05-26T10:23:22Z<p>Yeah, the aforementioned goblin used the Martial Artist archetype to skirt alignment conflicts while taking a few levels of Monk to help improve his grappling and defensive skills.</p>
<p>Barbarians have been gaining more grappling and unarmed combat skills over the years to the point where a single classed Barbarian might make a decent Monk substitute in some cases. This makes me think of Monk Lu Zhisen of the 108 Stars of Destiny, a monk who ate meat, drank wine, and never read scripture. He was basically a wanted man who hid out in a monastery by posing as a monk but later achieved actual Enlightenment.</p>Yeah, the aforementioned goblin used the Martial Artist archetype to skirt alignment conflicts while taking a few levels of Monk to help improve his grappling and defensive skills.
Barbarians have been gaining more grappling and unarmed combat skills over the years to the point where a single classed Barbarian might make a decent Monk substitute in some cases. This makes me think of Monk Lu Zhisen of the 108 Stars of Destiny, a monk who ate meat, drank wine, and never read scripture. He was...Devilkiller2015-05-26T10:23:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingRycauthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#492015-05-26T04:22:30Z2015-05-26T04:22:30Z<p>There are a few ways to have non-lawful monks. </p>
<p>The monk archetype Martial Artist is open to any alignment but gives up ki powers for so different but still good abilities. And there is a variant type of Aasimar who can take a trait that allows them to be a neutral monk. Somewhat costly but for the right concept very nice (it would for example allow for a barbarian/monk if you wanted to build one. As far as I know that would work with the new unchained monk while the archetype would not.</p>There are a few ways to have non-lawful monks.
The monk archetype Martial Artist is open to any alignment but gives up ki powers for so different but still good abilities. And there is a variant type of Aasimar who can take a trait that allows them to be a neutral monk. Somewhat costly but for the right concept very nice (it would for example allow for a barbarian/monk if you wanted to build one. As far as I know that would work with the new unchained monk while the archetype would not.Rycaut2015-05-26T04:22:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingkyrt-ryderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#482015-05-26T00:48:20Z2015-05-26T00:48:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kudaku wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote>Happily there are rules in Unchained both to remove alignment restrictions for classes, and to remove alignment completely from the game. </blockquote><p>Indeed, although I had been under the [mistaken] impression that all the alignment issues aside from LG Paladins and Lawful Monks had been stripped out. [On that note, Lawful Monks is rather annoying as well.] Mandatory non-lawful Barbarians is silly.Kudaku wrote:kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Happily there are rules in Unchained both to remove alignment restrictions for classes, and to remove alignment completely from the game. Indeed, although I had been under the [mistaken] impression that all the alignment issues aside from LG Paladins and Lawful Monks had been stripped out. [On that note, Lawful Monks is rather annoying as...kyrt-ryder2015-05-26T00:48:20ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingKudakuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#472015-05-26T00:31:17Z2015-05-26T00:31:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote><p>Happily there are rules in Unchained both to remove alignment restrictions for classes, and to remove alignment completely from the game.kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Happily there are rules in Unchained both to remove alignment restrictions for classes, and to remove alignment completely from the game.Kudaku2015-05-26T00:31:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingTorresGlitchhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#462015-05-25T23:26:06Z2015-05-25T23:26:06Z<p>I believe there have been a discussion and the consensus of it was that you may use hexes while raging (Scarred Witch Doctor + Barbarian Rage) as hex is a SU ability.
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Lay on Hands is also a SU ability so it should also works as part of raging.</p>
<p>There are a few more ways to boost the healing of the paladin;
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Aside from the Lesser Celestial Rage Totem there is the feat <a href="Fey Foundling" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/fey-foundling</a>
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and Tiefling's Favored class bonus buffs lay on hands by 1/level.</p>I believe there have been a discussion and the consensus of it was that you may use hexes while raging (Scarred Witch Doctor + Barbarian Rage) as hex is a SU ability.
Lay on Hands is also a SU ability so it should also works as part of raging.
There are a few more ways to boost the healing of the paladin;
Aside from the Lesser Celestial Rage Totem there is the feat http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/fey-foundling
and Tiefling's Favored class bonus buffs lay on hands by 1/level.TorresGlitch2015-05-25T23:26:06ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingAzten (alias of Dragonborn3)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#452015-05-25T17:00:08Z2015-05-25T17:00:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Entryhazard wrote:</div><blockquote>He fundamentally lacks any self-discipline, but it also permits the barbarian to unleash greater raw strength </blockquote><p>There's a Ranger archetype that grants Rage, but no alignment restriction.
<p>Anyone who can get domains can get Rage without being non-Lawful.</p>
<p>What about the Urban Barbarian, who gets <i>Controlled</i> Rage in addition to regular Rage? How is something that's controlled an indicator of lacking discipline?</p>Entryhazard wrote:He fundamentally lacks any self-discipline, but it also permits the barbarian to unleash greater raw strength
There's a Ranger archetype that grants Rage, but no alignment restriction. Anyone who can get domains can get Rage without being non-Lawful.
What about the Urban Barbarian, who gets Controlled Rage in addition to regular Rage? How is something that's controlled an indicator of lacking discipline?Azten (alias of Dragonborn3)2015-05-25T17:00:08ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingDevilkillerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#442015-05-25T14:00:39Z2015-05-25T14:00:39Z<p>The cannibalism and demonically inspired bestiality were something from a recent game where my goblin PC, Chief Sharky, decided to see what he could Intimidate some human prisoners into doing. The initial acts might not have been strictly Evil since they were performed under duress, but some of the prisoners began to really get into it and slaughtered a few of their less enthusiastic fellows. I think it is safe to assume that they're probably Evil and possibly insane by now.</p>The cannibalism and demonically inspired bestiality were something from a recent game where my goblin PC, Chief Sharky, decided to see what he could Intimidate some human prisoners into doing. The initial acts might not have been strictly Evil since they were performed under duress, but some of the prisoners began to really get into it and slaughtered a few of their less enthusiastic fellows. I think it is safe to assume that they're probably Evil and possibly insane by now.Devilkiller2015-05-25T14:00:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingJust a Guesshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#432015-05-24T09:14:40Z2015-05-24T09:14:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Hydromancer wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Devilkiller wrote:</div><blockquote>"Sure, they're demon worshipping cannibals who mate with animals for the glory of Lamashtu, but I wouldn't call them Evil, at least not while there's a Paladin around." </blockquote><p>This raises some questions.
<p>Would a wildshaped druid mating with animals be considered an evil act? What about if the animal isn't exactly opposed to it? (If you've ever heard of 'mr hands' you'll know what I'm talking about)</p>
<p>Cannibalism could be seen as efficient too. What if that's their culture? Who is deciding this is evil?</p>
<p>So many issues. </blockquote>the former would still be bestiality (since theres a sentient person inside the tiger who's going at it with a not-so-sentient normal tiger) and therefore 'taking advantage' of that animal, so pretty evil unless you're in a weirdass society in-game. </blockquote><p>Weired, yes. Evil, no. Unless rape is involved. But if the druid uses the mating rituals usual for the species in question and the female lets him do it not evil at all.
<p>Else letting your dog hump your leg would be evil, too.</p>AndIMustMask wrote:Hydromancer wrote: Devilkiller wrote:"Sure, they're demon worshipping cannibals who mate with animals for the glory of Lamashtu, but I wouldn't call them Evil, at least not while there's a Paladin around."
This raises some questions. Would a wildshaped druid mating with animals be considered an evil act? What about if the animal isn't exactly opposed to it? (If you've ever heard of 'mr hands' you'll know what I'm talking about)
Cannibalism could be seen as efficient too....Just a Guess2015-05-24T09:14:40ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingwraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#422015-05-24T09:10:10Z2015-05-24T09:10:10Z<p>I think Forgotten Realms called them barbarians in the Drizzt novels.</p>I think Forgotten Realms called them barbarians in the Drizzt novels.wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2015-05-24T09:10:10ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingHydromancerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#412015-05-24T08:33:01Z2015-05-24T08:33:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Entryhazard wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">xavier c wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote>Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. </blockquote><p>The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is a Paladin.
<p>But there's no good reason a Barbarian shouldn't be able to be lawful. Even if we stick to the [weak as hell] default fluff of a Barbarian being a tribal warrior, many tribes have very strong law codes which their warriors are expected to honor. </blockquote><p>Are the really frequent outbursts of rage that makes him non-lawful.
<p>He fundamentally lacks any self-discipline, but it also permits the barbarian to unleash greater raw strength </blockquote>Except that makes zero sense whatsoever. </blockquote><p>Agreed.
<p>The following is all anecdotal evidence so keep that in mind.</p>
<p>I'm not sure barbarians refer to themselves as barbarians. In almost every fantasy setting I've ever encountered with barbarians in them, they don't refer to themselves as such, and often take offense to being called such.</p>
<p>To call someone a barbarian is to call them uncultured, uncivilized.</p>
<p>Every setting I've seen them in, barbarians have quite a strong culture with tribal laws, elders, rites and rituals, and a code of honor regarding combat.</p>
<p>Heck the literal definition of a barbarian is either uncivilized people or tribes that existed outside of the great empires.</p>kyrt-ryder wrote:Entryhazard wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote: xavier c wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect...Hydromancer2015-05-24T08:33:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingkestral287https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#402015-05-22T23:29:01Z2015-05-22T23:29:01Z<p>Fundamentally untrue by the very simple methods available to get a Raging Paladin.</p>
<p>Rage's only mechanical effects are "no Int/Wis/Cha based skills, no spells". Whether or not you lack discipline while raging depends entirely on your roleplay.</p>Fundamentally untrue by the very simple methods available to get a Raging Paladin.
Rage's only mechanical effects are "no Int/Wis/Cha based skills, no spells". Whether or not you lack discipline while raging depends entirely on your roleplay.kestral2872015-05-22T23:29:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#392015-05-25T15:32:17Z2015-05-22T23:28:43Z<p>Oh? Forced Flavor?</p>Oh? Forced Flavor?blackbloodtroll2015-05-22T23:28:43ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingkyrt-ryderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#382015-05-24T09:09:17Z2015-05-22T23:27:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Entryhazard wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">xavier c wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote>Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. </blockquote><p>The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is a Paladin.
<p>But there's no good reason a Barbarian shouldn't be able to be lawful. Even if we stick to the [weak as hell] default fluff of a Barbarian being a tribal warrior, many tribes have very strong law codes which their warriors are expected to honor. </blockquote><p>Are the really frequent outbursts of rage that makes him non-lawful.
<p>He fundamentally lacks any self-discipline, but it also permits the barbarian to unleash greater raw strength </blockquote><p>Except that makes zero sense whatsoever.Entryhazard wrote:kyrt-ryder wrote: xavier c wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is...kyrt-ryder2015-05-22T23:27:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingEntryhazardhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#372015-05-22T23:24:42Z2015-05-22T23:24:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">xavier c wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote>Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. </blockquote><p>The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is a Paladin.
<p>But there's no good reason a Barbarian shouldn't be able to be lawful. Even if we stick to the [weak as hell] default fluff of a Barbarian being a tribal warrior, many tribes have very strong law codes which their warriors are expected to honor. </blockquote><p>Are the really frequent outbursts of rage that makes him non-lawful.
<p>He fundamentally lacks any self-discipline, but it also permits the barbarian to unleash greater raw strength</p>kyrt-ryder wrote:xavier c wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is a Paladin. But...Entryhazard2015-05-22T23:24:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#362015-05-22T23:22:28Z2015-05-22T23:22:28Z<p>Well, an Untouchable Rager/Primalist Bloodrager, is basically a Barbarian.</p>
<p>Rage Powers and all.</p>Well, an Untouchable Rager/Primalist Bloodrager, is basically a Barbarian.
Rage Powers and all.blackbloodtroll2015-05-22T23:22:28ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingSeranovhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#352015-05-22T22:59:46Z2015-05-22T22:59:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">xavier c wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote>Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. </blockquote><p>I don't see how the game is enriched by the guy who gets mad as hell as a class feature not being able to temper that rage with wisdom (Monk) or use it to crush the forces of evil (Paladin) or whatever.
<p>Honestly, when you need to jump to extremes like "why have classes at all?" that's a dead giveaway that you don't have an actual argument.</p>xavier c wrote:kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. I don't see how the game is enriched by the guy who gets mad as hell as a class feature not being able to temper that rage with wisdom (Monk) or use it to crush the forces of evil (Paladin) or whatever. Honestly, when...Seranov2015-05-22T22:59:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingkyrt-ryderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#342015-05-24T09:15:28Z2015-05-22T22:58:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">xavier c wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote>Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. </blockquote><p>The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is a Paladin.
<p>But there's no good reason a Barbarian shouldn't be able to be lawful. Even if we stick to the [weak as hell] default fluff of a Barbarian being a tribal warrior, many tribes have very strong law codes which their warriors are expected to honor.</p>xavier c wrote:kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all. The alignment restriction of the Paladin I can respect. Kind of awkward to need to homebrew new classes for Divine Champions with other alignments, but I can respect that a Paladin is a Paladin. But there's no good...kyrt-ryder2015-05-22T22:58:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingxavier chttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#332015-05-22T22:53:25Z2015-05-22T22:53:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books. </blockquote><p>Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all.kyrt-ryder wrote:And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.
Alignment restrictions are not stupid, they add to the value and flavor of the class. otherwise why have classes at all.xavier c2015-05-22T22:53:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingDracoknighthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#322015-05-22T22:51:15Z2015-05-22T22:51:15Z<p>Bloodragers dont have a aglinment requirement, you can go both paladin and bloodrager. </p>
<p>The celestial bloodline could fit?</p>Bloodragers dont have a aglinment requirement, you can go both paladin and bloodrager.
The celestial bloodline could fit?Dracoknight2015-05-22T22:51:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingkyrt-ryderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#312015-05-22T22:45:12Z2015-05-22T22:45:12Z<p>And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.</p>
<p>Guess that's one more houserule on the books.</p>And here I thought PF had eliminated all the stupid alignment restrictions.
Guess that's one more houserule on the books.kyrt-ryder2015-05-22T22:45:12ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingBlackwaltzomegahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#302015-05-22T22:43:02Z2015-05-22T22:43:02Z<p>Bloodragers aren't Barbarians. They can be Lawful if they want.</p>Bloodragers aren't Barbarians. They can be Lawful if they want.Blackwaltzomega2015-05-22T22:43:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#292015-05-22T22:24:53Z2015-05-22T22:24:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">cronjewel08 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> In my PFS games, one of my players wants to multiclass his first level paladin to get rage. Luckily the Barbarian is not viable. However, he saw that the bloodrager got rage, and the celestial bloodline. Therefore my question is, is there a ruling or errata barring the bloodrager and paladin? If not, I think there should be because it seems like there is too much that can be done.</p>
<p>PFS rulings only.</p>
<p>Thanks,
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cronjewel08 </blockquote><p>There's this slight issue of the Paladin having to retain a LAWFUL alignment if he wants to keep his class, but other than that, nothing at all.cronjewel08 wrote:In my PFS games, one of my players wants to multiclass his first level paladin to get rage. Luckily the Barbarian is not viable. However, he saw that the bloodrager got rage, and the celestial bloodline. Therefore my question is, is there a ruling or errata barring the bloodrager and paladin? If not, I think there should be because it seems like there is too much that can be done.
PFS rulings only.
Thanks,
cronjewel08
There's this slight issue of the Paladin having to...LazarX2015-05-22T22:24:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingRycauthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#282015-05-22T22:07:01Z2015-05-22T22:07:01Z<p>An alternative approach would be a Skald - a bit more casting, but somewhat delayed raging (and it takes a standard action to initiate but does also effect your allies). One plus is that since the Skald can still do anything they want while maintaining the raging song, you can still cast spells etc (but the effects are half of regular rage)</p>
<p>a Skald / Paladin should really look at the Lesser Celestial Totem rage power.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Whenever she is subject to a spell that cures hit point damage, she heals 1 additional point of damage per caster level. In the case of non-spell healing effects (such as channeled energy or lay on hands), she heals a number of additional points equal to the class level of the character performing the magical healing. This does not affect fast healing or regeneration.</blockquote><p>Really, really good for a Paladin.
<p>[or you could even take Bloodrager / Skald & Paladin - note that if you do, your bonus while using your Skald rage would be your Bloodrager's bonuses though I don't think you would also get your bloodline powers] The Celestial bloodline's 1st level power is quite good however the 4th level bloodline power isn't nearly as good because it only grants you resistances while you are bloodraging which means it only helps against attacks the few rounds a day you are raging. </p>
<p>And consider taking the Mad Magic feat which allows you to cast spells from any class while in a bloodrage (seems tailor made for multi classed bloodragers) when you are high enough level to have Paladin spells.</p>
<p>A bloodrager / paladin would be a pretty MAD class (you need a high CHA and a high CON and a good STR would be helpful).</p>
<p>A Skald / Paladin could actually also become a Dragon Disciple if you wanted - which might b ea pretty fun build (high STR, lay on hands, potentially both arcane and divine casting if you advanced enough levels, plus a specialized rage/bardic performance = lots of flexibility + lots of really fun abilities. Probably would dish out a lot of damage as well - but still have plenty to do outside of combat. Slightly lower BAB than the Bloodrager / Paladin version however.</p>An alternative approach would be a Skald - a bit more casting, but somewhat delayed raging (and it takes a standard action to initiate but does also effect your allies). One plus is that since the Skald can still do anything they want while maintaining the raging song, you can still cast spells etc (but the effects are half of regular rage)
a Skald / Paladin should really look at the Lesser Celestial Totem rage power.
Quote:Whenever she is subject to a spell that cures hit point damage, she...Rycaut2015-05-22T22:07:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingAndIMustMaskhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#272015-05-22T21:57:31Z2015-05-22T21:57:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">haremlord wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote>the former would still be bestiality (since theres a sentient person inside the tiger who's going at it with a not-so-sentient normal tiger) and therefore 'taking advantage' of that animal, so pretty evil unless you're in a weirdass society in-game.</blockquote><p>What if the animal was awakened?
<p>Asking for a friend... </blockquote><p>if they're awakened they've been granted intelligence/sentience, and can therefore give consent (though the thing about awakening pets is that it makes consent fuzzy under the master/owner umbrella). still squicky, but i wouldnt start smiting over it.haremlord wrote:AndIMustMask wrote:the former would still be bestiality (since theres a sentient person inside the tiger who's going at it with a not-so-sentient normal tiger) and therefore 'taking advantage' of that animal, so pretty evil unless you're in a weirdass society in-game.
What if the animal was awakened? Asking for a friend... if they're awakened they've been granted intelligence/sentience, and can therefore give consent (though the thing about awakening pets is that it makes...AndIMustMask2015-05-22T21:57:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Broken Paladin rulingharemlordhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ri5l?Broken-Paladin-ruling#262015-05-26T15:38:54Z2015-05-22T21:46:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote>the former would still be bestiality (since theres a sentient person inside the tiger who's going at it with a not-so-sentient normal tiger) and therefore 'taking advantage' of that animal, so pretty evil unless you're in a weirdass society in-game.</blockquote><p>What if the animal was awakened?
<p>Asking for a friend...</p>AndIMustMask wrote:the former would still be bestiality (since theres a sentient person inside the tiger who's going at it with a not-so-sentient normal tiger) and therefore 'taking advantage' of that animal, so pretty evil unless you're in a weirdass society in-game.
What if the animal was awakened? Asking for a friend...haremlord2015-05-22T21:46:56Z