What would happen if real time "Google earth" was available for everyone!


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Basically what if there were enough satellites that the entirety of the globe could be covered simultaneously and it was in real time.

Basically Google earth, but in real time. The assumption is that the technology exists and the servers can more or less handle it.

Just like the current Google earth the places that are blacked out by government will continue to be.

What do you think the good and bad consequences of this would be?

One could crowd source major search operations. For example someone is lost in the desert. News story goes out and urges people to log on and help look for the missing hikers.


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If it gets down to decimeter precision, which I believe is quite possible today, the government could track everyone outdoors by simply connecting these data to face recognition surveillance camera data, to have a realtime map of where everyone is and has been at all times. This would work wonders to chart how oppositional politicians move, should that information be necessary or interesting.


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I feel like the exhibitionists and voyeurs of the world would celebrate the momentous occasion.

It would be promptly taken down.


Pigtails wrote:

I feel like the exhibitionists and voyeurs of the world would celebrate the momentous occasion.

It would be promptly taken down.

Perhaps clothing optional resorts could simply request to be blurred out. Or they might decide not to. :-)

Besides in most clothing optional places the people getting naked are generally the ones you'd prefer didn't.

Also, from space I don't think it'll get quite THAT detailed.

Edit: Puritanical values aside, Nakedness isn't that big of a deal. I suspect most people wouldn't care. Besides there are far better places on the internet to get far better porn for free.


Hm, I'd imagine some companies would track people in order to estimate their consumer preferences, much in the way we are tracked when we surf online. If you could determine the path someone takes every day, then apply it to hundreds or thousands of people, and match it with all the other data you have from them (say, how often they visit online shoe shops), you would be able to pinpoint the best locations for specific businesses and/or billboards.

On one hand, that would be great, since we all like to have our favourite conveniences nearby. But on the other, you never know how that information might be missused.

I think a great use would be for transportation engineering. Having real-time data on the flow of people and vehicles would allow municipalities to alter traffic structures dynamically, which I'm sure would be very effective at minimizing jams.

Several businesses would also find great use of such technology. For instance, I work in agriculture, and being able to oversee works in the fields from orbit in real time would save a lot of time and resources, since the central offices would be able to monitor how, say, harvesting is being conducted and act quickly on it. Since one of our main lines of work is sending harvesting machines to harvest third parties' fields, it would allow us keep tracks on everything without having to station managers on every site.


Klaus van der Kroft wrote:

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Several businesses would also find great use of such technology. For instance, I work in agriculture, and being able to oversee works in the fields from orbit in real time would save a lot of time and resources, since the central offices would be able to monitor how, say, harvesting is being conducted and act quickly on it. Since one of our main lines of work is sending harvesting machines to harvest third parties' fields, it would allow us keep tracks on everything without having to station managers on every site.

Not my area of expertise, but couldn't you do basically the same thing with GPS installed on your machinery?


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One-Of-Many wrote:

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Of course you'd need something as limited as an awning/umbrella/Tree/clouds/etc to block yourself from this system.


Except that google also has the "street view" option. If they allowed access you could use security cameras to get eye level views. Google already partners with some government agents for the tracking of sex offenders via GPS allowing those government agents access to the google earth satellite to zoom in enough to track make and models of cars the offender is in.


DM_Kumo Gekkou wrote:
Except that google also has the "street view" option. If they allowed access you could use security cameras to get eye level views. Google already partners with some government agents for the tracking of sex offenders via GPS allowing those government agents access to the google earth satellite to zoom in enough to track make and models of cars the offender is in.

Didn't know that.

Well, Street view isn't live and I don't see how to make it live unless you install a couple bajillion cameras.

The latter technology already exists (apparently). I imagine not much will change with this new theoretical tech.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
One-Of-Many wrote:

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Of course you'd need something as limited as an awning/umbrella/Tree/clouds/etc to block yourself from this system.

Clouds perhaps, but most of the others don't really help. It's just as easy to follow an umbrella walking around as a person, especially when your resolution is on the order of 1'.

Walking under something stationary would make it easier to confuse you with someone else passing under the same structure. Thus the need for cross-checking with ground based security cameras.


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Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

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thejeff wrote:

Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

There are certain levels of information the public should never have access too.


thejeff wrote:

Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

Random ideas:

Jealous or suspicious spouses (or boy/girlfriends) who want to track their significant other.

Sports teams who want to track their players to make sure they don't get in too much trouble ("we saw you riding a motorcycle on Google").

Instant newsfeed of the glitterati (which might just be "watch the top of their head walking around" but someone would probably watch it).


Artanthos wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

There are certain levels of information the public should never have access too.

Valid points.


Wyntr wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

Random ideas:

Jealous or suspicious spouses (or boy/girlfriends) who want to track their significant other.

Sports teams who want to track their players to make sure they don't get in too much trouble ("we saw you riding a motorcycle on Google").

Instant newsfeed of the glitterati (which might just be "watch the top of their head walking around" but someone would probably watch it).

What's Glitterati?


thejeff wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
One-Of-Many wrote:
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Of course you'd need something as limited as an awning/umbrella/Tree/clouds/etc to block yourself from this system.

Clouds perhaps, but most of the others don't really help. It's just as easy to follow an umbrella walking around as a person, especially when your resolution is on the order of 1'.

Walking under something stationary would make it easier to confuse you with someone else passing under the same structure. Thus the need for cross-checking with ground based security cameras.

Ground based security camera cross checking (an entirly different system) not withstanding and barring additional data sources, the Other methods mentioned would make it impossible to definitely tell from space if it was the right person or not. At most you know that someone is walking around with an umbrella.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Wyntr wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

Random ideas:

Jealous or suspicious spouses (or boy/girlfriends) who want to track their significant other.

Sports teams who want to track their players to make sure they don't get in too much trouble ("we saw you riding a motorcycle on Google").

Instant newsfeed of the glitterati (which might just be "watch the top of their head walking around" but someone would probably watch it).

What's Glitterati?

Celebrities and beautiful people - basically, whomever the paparazzi report on.


Wyntr wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:


What's Glitterati?

Celebrities and beautiful people - basically, whomever the paparazzi report on.

Ahh. I learned a new word today. Thanks. :-)


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
One-Of-Many wrote:
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Of course you'd need something as limited as an awning/umbrella/Tree/clouds/etc to block yourself from this system.

Clouds perhaps, but most of the others don't really help. It's just as easy to follow an umbrella walking around as a person, especially when your resolution is on the order of 1'.

Walking under something stationary would make it easier to confuse you with someone else passing under the same structure. Thus the need for cross-checking with ground based security cameras.

Ground based security camera cross checking (an entirly different system) not withstanding and barring additional data sources, the Other methods mentioned would make it impossible to definitely tell from space if it was the right person or not. At most you know that someone is walking around with an umbrella.

You can't definitively tell from space if it was the right person or not anyway. Not unless the tech gets a lot better and as I understand it, there are some pretty hard atmospheric distortion limits to that.

You can follow one of the little pixels around, but that's about the best you're going to do. From anything like overhead, you're going to have 1 pixel for a person. No identification beyond that.

So what you do is cross check with the ground camera to id a pixel and then follow that pixel around.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:

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Several businesses would also find great use of such technology. For instance, I work in agriculture, and being able to oversee works in the fields from orbit in real time would save a lot of time and resources, since the central offices would be able to monitor how, say, harvesting is being conducted and act quickly on it. Since one of our main lines of work is sending harvesting machines to harvest third parties' fields, it would allow us keep tracks on everything without having to station managers on every site.

Not my area of expertise, but couldn't you do basically the same thing with GPS installed on your machinery?

Oh, we do. I mean about the stuff you can't directly see with a GPS tracker, such as diverting harvesting routes in case rain has flooded a specific track of the orchard and quickly rearrange the work crews, or properly check from a distance how much fruit is being left on the trees.

Even more, if precision was good enough, you could actually monitor entire fields from space to accuratelly determine things like the degree of maturity of all the fruits simultaneously. For some crops like plum, when a single day of harvesting too late or too early can mean a lot of money lost, it would be fantastic. Sometimes it's done with drones, but a satellite would be much better.


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Artanthos wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Obvious realistic threat, assuming this was available to everyone: Criminals have access too. They can watch a target building to know when everyone, maybe including the neighbors have left and then break in. Without sitting obviously across the street.

Or a stalker, to know when his target is alone.

There are certain levels of information the public should never have access too.

And there are many levels of information that the government should never have access to.


I'm picturing people keeping a constant supply of dry ice, heavy mist makers, or smoke machines just to maintain fog clouds all over the place.


Randarak wrote:
I'm picturing people keeping a constant supply of dry ice, heavy mist makers, or smoke machines just to maintain fog clouds all over the place.

I could see a wide distribution of stone incense burners constantly smoking around campuses. No wonder smoking's slowly being banned from public consumption.


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Sales of sombreros would explode. Tinfoil lining would be a popular option.


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I hope all of y'all like lookin at blue dragon nutz.


Well, most of the time, most of it isn't that interesting.

Let's pick.......

Latitude:N 5° 57' 56.7132"
Longitude:W 171° 44' 17.8125"

this is what you will see, day in and day out, for the next 1,000 years.

Then, for about 15 minutes, you'll see

this.

and for the rest of the thousand years,

this is what you will see, day in and day out, for the next 1,000 years.

Then, there's places that are too interesting.

like this.

This is what you'll see for about 100 years, until whatever happens from an economic/geopolitical/sociologic prospective to make it not that interesting.

So, I mean, the server issue is "wow. I have like massive amounts of data of the Pacific Ocean, 99.9999999 percent of which is of no interest whatsoever. Some of the satellites need to be off and not collecting assloads of data about nothing unless we know a ship carrying a zoo has sunk and there might be a survivor on a raft with a tiger, which he may or may not be hallucinating."

And then we have the data analysis issue which is, "wow. Look at all those people and cars in Times Square. They look like little ants.
That's kinda cool, but I can't really do anything with it but count all the people in Times Square. It's kinda data overload for no payoff. Nothing I couldn't do really with a street level camera here and there."


Sissyl wrote:
If it gets down to decimeter precision, which I believe is quite possible today, the government could track everyone outdoors by simply connecting these data to face recognition surveillance camera data, to have a realtime map of where everyone is and has been at all times. This would work wonders to chart how oppositional politicians move, should that information be necessary or interesting.

And as a result sane people would start wearing silly hats, so the government can't spy on them, in a similar fashion to how paranoid people already do it today.


Threeshades wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
If it gets down to decimeter precision, which I believe is quite possible today, the government could track everyone outdoors by simply connecting these data to face recognition surveillance camera data, to have a realtime map of where everyone is and has been at all times. This would work wonders to chart how oppositional politicians move, should that information be necessary or interesting.
And as a result sane people would start wearing silly hats, so the government can't spy on them, in a similar fashion to how paranoid people already do it today.

Again hats won't really help with the satellite imagery. You're still one pixel from above, whether it's a hat or hair.

OTOH, veils coming into fashion would be a nice response to ground level facial recognition cameras.

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thejeff wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
If it gets down to decimeter precision, which I believe is quite possible today, the government could track everyone outdoors by simply connecting these data to face recognition surveillance camera data, to have a realtime map of where everyone is and has been at all times. This would work wonders to chart how oppositional politicians move, should that information be necessary or interesting.
And as a result sane people would start wearing silly hats, so the government can't spy on them, in a similar fashion to how paranoid people already do it today.

Again hats won't really help with the satellite imagery. You're still one pixel from above, whether it's a hat or hair.

OTOH, veils coming into fashion would be a nice response to ground level facial recognition cameras.

Face concealing hoods for everyone!

It'll be just like playing Neverwinter Nights again!


BigDTBone wrote:
I hope all of y'all like lookin at blue dragon nutz.

All you need for that is a webcam.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
I hope all of y'all like lookin at blue dragon nutz.
All you need for that is a webcam.

I should start a YouTube channel.


BigDTBone wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
I hope all of y'all like lookin at blue dragon nutz.
All you need for that is a webcam.
I should start a YouTube channel.

Perhaps X-tube


How precise?

Infrared?

Thermal?

X-Ray?


Guy St-Amant wrote:
How precise?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.

Guy St-Amant wrote:
Infrared?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.

Guy St-Amant wrote:
Thermal?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.

Guy St-Amant wrote:
X-Ray?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Guy St-Amant wrote:
How precise?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.

Guy St-Amant wrote:
Infrared?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.

Guy St-Amant wrote:
Thermal?

Same as Google earth, only in real time.

Guy St-Amant wrote:
X-Ray?
Same as Google earth, only in real time.

In other words, not very, no, no and no.

Google Earth resolution varies, though the highest resolution is aerial photography, not satellite. Baseline is usually 1 meter per pixel. They're not reading your mail or watching you in the nude.

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