Would your characters use the 3 monkeys? Details inside


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I'm just wondering if your character found one of the 3 monkeys would they use them? Pick your favourite character/s and answer yes or no for each one with details of why?

I was going over older stuff of mine recently and stumbled across these which I never got a chance to use in a game they were basically cursed versions of the ring of 3 wishes.

Jade monkey
Grants 2 of your wishes and a randomly selected one to the next person to use I while you get one of the previous users wishes instead.

Obsidian Monkey
Grants you 3 wishes and twice what you wishes for to the person you hate most be aware it may be a subconscious resentment of someone your not even aware of.

Ivory Monkey
Requires 3 people to make a wish at the same timme while holding it and grants all 3 to each person.


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The third one sounds like a win-win situation all around really. A free wish for three people? Can't think of many PCs that would say no to that.


Sorry to clarify on that 3rd one they don't have to make the same wish. For instance you wish for a thousand gold, your friend wishes for good hewlth and your third friend wishes to be a beautiful woman. All 3 of you get a thousand gold, good health and become beautiful women.

Fine as long as you trust each other but you really want to be sure the 3rd person won't change their wish either due to trickery or absent mindedness.


Ah interesting. In that case none of my characters would do any of those. Like you said, you need a lot of trust on that last one. And hell, normally for wishes you need to have a lot of trust and faith that the wish will end up 100% the way you want it to be anyways.,


So, if I timed this properly, I could use the second one to wish for 2 relatively benign things, then wish for a primed nuclear weapon, which my enemy gets two of?

You could just use that to kill your nemesis with some inventive wishing.


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Mrpops wrote:

So, if I timed this properly, I could use the second one to wish for 2 relatively benign things, then wish for a primed nuclear weapon, which my enemy gets two of?

You could just use that to kill your nemesis with some inventive wishing.

It's the subject of an old joke. A man finds a genie in a bottle, who says the man gets three wishes under the condition that the man's despised ex-wife gets twice as much. So, first, he wishes for a yacht, which his ex-wife gets two which are just as luxurious. Then, he wishes for a billion dollars and his ex-wife gets twice as much.

"And what would your third wish be, pray tell?" the genie inquires.

"I wish to be beaten half-to-death."


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the third wish could be broken by wishing for you yourself specifically to gain something, which you now gain 3 of as your friends technically wished for you to get whatever it is you wished for.

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If you are wise, you'll take the second monkey. It's the only one that does not directly put you at risk. The key is simply learning to let go of your hatred, or at least understanding that if you have $50 million, it really doesn't matter if someone else has $100 million.

Failing that, you could always wish for things that would be nice to have but not in excess.


None of those seem exceptionally unpleasant, to be perfectly honest. Only the first one involves serious risk, and even then you can probably reduce the associated risk via some creative wishing and/or sharing the item around with people you trust. For example wish 'I wish that I will have the option to review what final wishes are granted to me, choosing to negate their effect if I desire' gives you a 66% chance of a safety net. Chances are the unwanted wish will be a positive effect anyway though - most people wish for very similar things (immortality success/love/wealth/power).

The second one is only an issue if you hate someone who actually holds evil intent towards you. I'm not aware of anyone who holds evil intent towards me, so i'm probably safe (an adventurer maybe not so much). Regardless, you can use it creatively assuming the wish is doubled for all variables 'I wish for my heartrate to be slowed by 50% for 1 hour' or the classic 'I wish to be beaten half to death' mentioned above. You could also just make the wish non-numerically specific: 'I wish that a package arrives in 2 minutes for (insert your name here) at (insert address here), containing a million dollars and nothing else'. The wish gets doubled for your enemy... which gives you an additional 2 million dollars at your address (million dollars only an example, clearly I don't think that's actually a good wish). Alternatively, just use it to gain things you don't care if someone else has anyway (just don't wish for destructive power or something).

For the third one.... do people really not trust their closest friends and family well enough to be able to agree on three wishes with them? That seems absurd.


I don't think any wishes give you the option of negating them for free. In any story or this system.

The catch with the second one is who you think you dislike the most may not be who you really dislike e.g. You are angry at your boss but resent your older brother more as he seeks to get everything you don't, you just can't admit it to yoursef. So you make those wishes thinking your wife will get double then find it hits someone else.


Obsidian Monkey is easy, if you know who that enemy is.

Third Wish:

(if Mortal) "I Wish to be scared half to death!"
"I Wish to donate a kidney!"
"I Wish a sixteen-ton safe would appear forty feet over my head!" *dodge*

(if a Demon/Devil)"I Wish two Solars would appear by my side!"

(If Undead)"I Wish for a week of constant exposure to Positive energy!"


Probably no on jade monkey for most of my characters. The high-level gnome summoner though, he would be up for that.

Obsidian Monkey? Personally, i would be all over that. I think none of my characters would, though.

Ivory monkey. Sure, most of my characters can find two people who would rather benefit than f+%@ my character over. Not all of them, though.


Obsidian monkey. I usually don't know my enemies long enough to hate them. The wish would probably just go to our most useless or most annoying party member, and I'd just wish for a certain amount of health or strength so that when it stacked with mine, I'd be amazing while they'd still probably be subpar. Or if I wished for items, I'd just wish for something that only I would want. Also, if I wished for items and they got double what I did, I'd just kill them and take their stuff too.

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SAMAS wrote:

Obsidian Monkey is easy, if you know who that enemy is.

Third Wish:

(if Mortal) "I Wish to be scared half to death!"
"I Wish to donate a kidney!"
"I Wish a sixteen-ton safe would appear forty feet over my head!" *dodge*

(if a Demon/Devil)"I Wish two Solars would appear by my side!"

(If Undead)"I Wish for a week of constant exposure to Positive energy!"

The exposure to Positive energy could kill you too.


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Liam Warner wrote:


Obsidian Monkey
Grants you 3 wishes and twice what you wishes for to the person you hate most be aware it may be a subconscious resentment of someone your not even aware of.

I wish to let go of my hate and forgive.


We're all gamers here, we'd write it down, think it out, and use any of the 3 because we would cheat the system and get what we wanted. Rules-lawyering Murderhobo 4 lyfe!

Jade Monkey: First, I get someone's wish. Is it what I wanted? If no, I either wish it away (kind of standard) or wish for something I want. Then I wish for something I want. Then I wish to have a really nice day.

Obsidian Monkey: I wish that for each wish the obsidian monkey ever grants, the way it is or was granted would retroactively meet with the approval of the person that I currently am, mentally and physically. Retroactively includes this wish. If the monkey doesn't explode, I then wish for something really dangerously big and game-breakingly awesome (and probably become an NPC). Then I have a good friend I can trust cast a mind control spell, cast one of those "temporarily hate/attack your friend" spells, and have him force me to wish for something relatively minor and safe. He should get it because at that moment, I hate him.

Ivory Monkey: We wish for incorruptible wishes, awesome stuff, and more awesome stuff. Then the campaign ends.


This is why in my original post I asked about people's characters not about the players and then gave up when everyone started talking about how they would game the system.


As a general rule, all my characters are smartasses like me.

The "give a wish away" wouldn't trouble any of my characters, the most we might do is worry about great power falling into evil hands, which would mean limiting the scope of the wish or wishing the Monkey to stop working because "such power is dangerous in mortal hands." My characters all have at least 2 people we can trust explicitly. And when it comes to giving your worst enemy stuff, even the person who hates you, personally, the most, all that would do is give an already-rich person a little more money because all my enemies have lots of magic/money/toys already.

I mean, I assume you're looking for those groups you always hear about, the high-drama, high-excitement parties where betrayal, backstabbing, and theft are expected events.

But I don't roll those games, I see enough of that crap in the news. I play escapist fantasy where people don't suck so much, or if they do we're allowed to stand against them.


Liam Warner wrote:

Jade monkey

Grants 2 of your wishes and a randomly selected one to the next person to use I while you get one of the previous users wishes instead.
Obsidian Monkey
Grants you 3 wishes and twice what you wishes for to the person you hate most be aware it may be a subconscious resentment of someone your not even aware of.
Ivory Monkey
Requires 3 people to make a wish at the same timme while holding it and grants all 3 to each person.

One of them is fairly trusting and actually quite generous, so she'd use the third and probably even the first. For the second one she might try and game it a bit by wishing for something like "Finding the inner strength to follow what {good goddess} says is right", or some such.

Another is really smart, but bitter, calculating, angry, and not especially trusting. She would try and use the first one, but only if she could set up someone to go before her and someone to go after her and arrange wishes with both of them. She wouldn't want to use the second because she wouldn't trust an effect she couldn't predict, and she wouldn't use the third unless she had two people she was with who she thought would play it straight.


Wishes are one of those things I avoid completely. I wouldn't lay a hand on the damnable things.

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