An Arcanist with all 14s


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So I rolled up an arcaninst, and down the line his stats are all 13s and 14s I did this for fun, but I'm not sure what exactly to do with an arcanist who's above average at everything but excels at nothing. So I was looking for advice, the first thing I'm doing at least at low levels is avoiding loading up on spells with saves favoring spells with touch attacks instead. The first discovery I took was the one that lets you replace a prepared spell with one full round of study. I don't have my character sheet with me so I can't go into further detail yet, but when I can I'll post all the info like what his stats are exactly, my first level spell selection etc.

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all 13 and 14s? painfully average, might as well go Occultist (arcanist archetype) so you can have some summons for minutes per level and focuses on buffing really since everything is going to pass the dc of your spells.


Sounds like it's too late, but taking Occultist and invest feats in summoning and focusing on buffing/summoning/no save spells will take you a long way.

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no painfully average is all 10s and 11s. 13-14 is considered above average (in game not with players) :D

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I'm not taking an archtype, so occultist is out, and honestly if i wanted to do summons I would've gone the summons focued summoner. I would prefer a more ready for anything approach spellcaster.

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Okay got the char sheet so far So here's the character:
Maeghrim the Magus

Known by his clan a Maeghrim the dim. Maeghrim has always been obsessed with magic. The problem in his very traditional dwarven clan who view wizards with disdain to begin with, what do you do when you're a dwarf with no particular talent for magic who dreams of being a wizard? Well, like any good dwarf you put your head down and barrel through until you become a wizard. That's how Maeghrim got his nickname. His dwarven brethren belittled him for pursuing such an undwarvenly pursuits when he could be such a promising quarryman, or soldier, or cleric, the really dwarven pursuits. Instead he wasted time on every passing charlatan who promised to teach him magic and every hedge mage who really didn't have much to teach to begin with. Maeghrim kept on reading and studying, until between enough learned here and there and enough self taught Maeghrim is now a wizard, and he makes sure everyone knows it. He calls himself Maeghrim the Magus, he decks himself in occult paraphenalia (most of it is meaningless but damnit it looks magical) wears a proper wizards hat and carries his axe instead of a staff, he is a dwarf after all, but that axe sure has some mystical runes all over it. He won't take eschew materials, silent spell, or still spell because if you don't have all the little fiddly bits that scream wizard then what's the point?

Stats
Str 13
Dex 14
Con 13
Int 14
Wis 12
Cha 14

Racial traits as standard dwarf except I took magic resistant and sky sentinel because no proper dwarf trusts the open sky!

my Exploit is Quick Study

  • I haven't chosen a feat yet looking for advice

    I took Child of the Streets to represent his apprenticing under various charlatans and Hucksters
    Influence because of his wearing all that magic paraphanalia helps him when the threatens people with his magic powers (intimidate)

  • I have a 3rd trait to select looking for advice

    I took the headstrong drawback to get that 3rd trait because headstrong just fits him too well.

    So there you have it, looking for where to go from here.


  • lastknightleft wrote:


    Maeghrim the Magus

    Stats
    Str 13
    Dex 14
    Con 13
    Int 14
    Wis 12
    Cha 14

    And you won't take archetypes? (I was going to suggest Eldritch Font because it thoroughly limits the number of spells you have.)

    The third trait should be Magical Lineage (Infernal Healing) and your first feat should be Extend Spell. You see, you've got some good stats to make him a melee summoner (wait, what?)

    Take the bloodline development exploit for Abyssal (at some point). Cast an extended Rage on yourself and wade in when there's a bunch of weaklings. With power attack and cleave, because you're a dwarf. Make sure to get Transformation as your second 6th level spell.

    Take the school power exploit as well, for Conjuration. Summon a bunch of monsters to cast more spells for you. After power attack and cleave, get spell focus (Conjuration), Augment Summoning, and Superior Summoning. Now you can spend an arcane pool point on your Abyssal bloodline development at 15th level to summon in 3 fiendish somethings off your top level list.

    The next round, summon something that can heal you, the following round, Transformation and charge into battle with your +6 inherent bonus to strength +4 enhancement from transformation and full BAB, like a dwarf.

    Just a thought.

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    Arksangiel wrote:


    And you won't take archetypes? (I was going to suggest Eldritch Font because it thoroughly limits the number of spells you have.)

    The third trait should be Magical Lineage (Infernal Healing) and your first feat should be Extend Spell. You see, you've got some good stats to make him a melee summoner (wait, what?)

    Take the bloodline development exploit for Abyssal (at some point). Cast an extended Rage on yourself and wade in when there's a bunch of weaklings. With power attack and cleave, because you're a dwarf. Make sure to get Transformation as your second 6th level spell.

    Take the school power exploit as well, for Conjuration. Summon a bunch of monsters to cast more spells for you. After power attack and cleave, get spell focus (Conjuration), Augment Summoning, and Superior Summoning. Now you can spend an arcane pool point on your Abyssal bloodline development at 15th level to summon in 3 fiendish somethings off your top level list.

    The next round, summon something that can heal you, the following round, Transformation and charge into battle with your +6 inherent bonus to strength +4 enhancement from transformation and full BAB, like a dwarf.

    Just a thought.

    I do like the idea of being a bit fighty as a dwarf.

    Any other suggestions? so far everything has been summons focused anyone have suggestions that don't go the summony route?


    If you are playing in a campaign where everyone isn't min-maxed, and thus the GM has to adapt, you will be fine with those stats. Your DCs are a little low, but they are fine against normal opponents. You also won't have any glaring weaknesses, which goes a long way.

    Summons are certainly always strong, but a good fireball is always satisfying (even if not optimal).


    If you went say... Samsaran instead of Dwarf you could have 16 int and 18 cha. Would be be great. Could focus strongly on the exploits.


    Why would you make an arcanist with stats like that?

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    Zhayne wrote:
    Why would you make an arcanist with stats like that?

    Well I wanted to play an arcanist, and I wanted to play a race I don't play to often. Since I can't remember ever making a dwarf character (and I prefer to make core races unless I have some amazing concept) Then I had the choice of having a stronger int with a crap cha or make them equal and I chose to make them equal. Also why not, does every character have to be super powerful, can't I just have fun playing a mediocre wizard who acts as if he's Oz?


    lastknightleft wrote:
    Zhayne wrote:
    Why would you make an arcanist with stats like that?
    Well I wanted to play an arcanist, and I wanted to play a race I don't play to often. Since I can't remember ever making a dwarf character (and I prefer to make core races unless I have some amazing concept) Then I had the choice of having a stronger int with a crap cha or make them equal and I chose to make them equal. Also why not, does every character have to be super powerful, can't I just have fun playing a mediocre wizard who acts as if he's Oz?

    With your CHA/INT being what they are, I can't really recommend anything but summoning or general battlefield control (wall of stone) being secondary to your combat. You can't generate high enough saves to make the spells stick, and will have to rely on caster level vs SR (which you'd lose by taking a level of fighter and going Eldritch Knight), though you do cast spontaneously and could just roll 8 levels into dragon disciple for the 4str 2con 2int at a cost of 2 caster levels.

    The trick is minimizing saves--you could specialize in rays and touch attacks after the fighty part...but they tend to fall off at higher levels.


    Dave Justus wrote:
    If you are playing in a campaign where everyone isn't min-maxed, and thus the GM has to adapt, you will be fine with those stats.

    No offense Dave, but this sentence seems entirely backwards to me. If you're in a campaign without min-maxed players, the GM *WON'T* have to adapt. But I do agree, DCs 1-3 lower than a min-maxed PC doesn't make a big difference overall.

    lastknightleft - your character sounds exquisite. Arksangiel's suggestion of transformation eventually is a good idea. You could also plan on going for Eldritch Knight. Also don't be afraid of spells with saves - particularly multi-target spells.

    1st feat: Could be Martial Weapon Proficiency (Dwarven Waraxe), but a battle axe probably works just fine. There's a decent 'dabbler' feat that gives you a bonus on knowledge skills as long as you don't have 5 ranks in them that seems to fit in well with your background. Dodge/Power Attack/Toughness work well also.

    Traits: If you decide on Eldritch Knight, take Magical Knack. If you're not sure, avoid taking a magic trait so you could pick it up later potentially. (Side note: Influence sounds like a Social trait, as is Child of the Streets)

    Enjoy!

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    Majuba wrote:


    Traits: If you decide on Eldritch Knight, take Magical Knack. If you're not sure, avoid taking a magic trait so you could pick it up later potentially. (Side note: Influence sounds like a Social trait, as is Child of the Streets)

    Enjoy!

    You are correct, I just remembered that you can't take traits from the same group so I have to look for another trait. unless drawbacks let you pick from the same group. which I don't think so. So thanks for pointing that out to me :(

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    still haven't settled on a feat though


    lastknightleft wrote:

    still haven't settled on a feat though

    Spell Focus: Whatever school you decided to specialize in.

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