Bloodrager Caster Level?


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What should a bloodrager's caster level be set as? In the ACG, the only mention of a caster level is that a bloodrager's spell-like abilities gained from their bloodlines use their bloodrager level as their caster level. Should this be applied to spells in general, or should we treat them like paladins and rangers where their caster level is equal to their class level - 3?

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Early on during the playtest this question was asked and the devs clearly say that it was their intent to keep them as full spellcasters, so no it's a not a mistake.


I'm assuming you mean they should be treated as their caster level is the same as their class level?

Sovereign Court

Yes.


Yup. One of the many reasons this is my fav of the 10 new classes. Limited # of spells/day, delayed spell casting(none until 4th) but full caster level. Still balanced, IMO.


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In order for their blasting spells to be even REMOTELY useful they had to keep full caster level.

Paladins and Rangers aren't as reliant on Caster Level as Bloodragers since most of their stuff is utility/healing. The Bloordager spell list has some clunky blasting options like burning hands that would just by abysmal if they didn't have full caster level.

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Yep, baring a note saying their caster level is modified by class feature or other special ability, the bloodrager falls under the rules for Caster Level in Chapter 9 of the Core Rulebook. "A spell's power often depends on it's caster level, which for most spell casting characters is equal to her class level in the class she's using to cast the spell."

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Like Owen said.

This also means that a bloodrager's minimum caster level for 1st level spells is also 4, which can be relevant in some edge cases like item creation or intentionally weakening your spells.


Paladins and Rangers are Martial Classes that happen to cast spells. That's why 2 Paladin Archetypes which take away spellcasting and one Ranger Archetype that does the same aren't out of place: The spells from either class are really more of an afterthought (though in the Paladin's case there is pretense to have them there, since some of the Knights of the Round Table were supposedly adept at minor magic spells in some sources).

The Bloodrager is a Caster class without exception, however. It's also supposed to be a mage-knight like the Magus, but obviously be even more "HULK SMASH!" than the Magus.

Realistically, the only way to make a Ragemage without completely breaking it would be to either go Full-BAB & pseudo-casting, or 3/4-BAB and half-casting; since the Magus is already the latter, and the prior is more thematically in line with a Berserker hucking blaster spells, they made a compromise that the Bloodrager doesn't get spells until 4th level, but is Caster from lv1 officially (so you can take Metamagic feats before you get spells, weirdly enough)


main issue is the terrible offensive (non-buff) spell list and the 'best' spells he gets for that are limited to 4th level, which is unimpressive at best (compared to say, charging in and stabbing them to death).


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AndIMustMask wrote:
main issue is the terrible offensive (non-buff) spell list and the 'best' spells he gets for that are limited to 4th level, which is unimpressive at best (compared to say, charging in and stabbing them to death).

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