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What this thread is not: Yet another thread to argue about the balance issues of the Summoner class or tell us how you hate the class. There are plenty of threads for that.
What it is A thread to give examples of fictional characters that could provide good origin stories for Eidolons, perhaps with some reininterpretation because, gee not all fiction is structured with Pathfinder rules in mind. If it touches on an argument about summoners, feel free to mention it, but only in passing.
Stitch--Lilo and Stitch, dangerous, comes from another planet but it would work as another dimension. Also good example of the "imaginarry friend" of a child summoner which isn't so imaginary and a good example to bring up as a counter argument to the idea that an inexperinced (low level) character can't have an eidolon.
Other Dimensional Magical Girlfriends--Two come to mind. Jeanie from I dream of Jeannie and Belldandy from the Manga/Anime Oh My Goddess. Both are supernatural and come from out there. There is tension with the human. Both but Belldandy in particular would have an archtype increasing mental stats probably at the cost of physical stats which Paizo has not given us (but should). While both too powerful for the standard Eidolon, they could be inspiration for an eidolon.
R2D2--Could be a good model for an Eidolon. Very Loyal to master Luke. Skill monkey rather than combat monster. Literally falls from another world.
Hope this is interesting.
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How about Bobby? Large, strong, loyal, and would appear to be a figment of Melvin's mind. A kids imagination come to life. Seems like Eidolon Material to me.
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Calvin and Hobbes. Hobbes makes an awesome Eidolon.
Sherman and Mr. Peabody.
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I assume Sherman's the eidolon in that case.
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Snuffleupagus: an imaginary friend that only Big Bird could see and is not a creature that appears in nature.
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This Skrillex video is totally a halfling summoner with the childlike trait and her eidolon.
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House elves in Harry Potter maybe
Hmm, them. I like Jim butcher, but never got into codex alera
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1&2
Mostly because they are my great whit buffalo's of PS2 gaming that I just recently managed to get hold of. :)
The cat in the hat. Also I'm going to say Tony, Danny Torrences' imaginary friend from "The Shining".
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This Skrillex video is totally a halfling summoner with the childlike trait and her eidolon.
I like the idea of this being an actual child. Summoner is one of the classes I can easily picture a small child being, rather than a big strong fighter.
Caprica Six for Gaius Baltar in BSG.
Scooby to Shaggy.
really? no His Dark Materials references?
really? no His Dark Materials references?
See, I just thought of that before I refreshed this page. Daemons!
really? no His Dark Materials references?See, I just thought of that before I refreshed this page. Daemons!
Nah. Daemons are pretty much straight up Familiars, not Eidolons.
Nah. Daemons are pretty much straight up Familiars, not Eidolons.really? no His Dark Materials references?See, I just thought of that before I refreshed this page. Daemons!
I'd say that Daemons are far better examples then most of the stuff mentioned in this thread.
not to mention that a lot of them are combat oriented.
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Nah. Daemons are pretty much straight up Familiars, not Eidolons.really? no His Dark Materials references?See, I just thought of that before I refreshed this page. Daemons!I'd say that Daemons are far better examples then most of the stuff mentioned in this thread.
not to mention that a lot of them are combat oriented.
They are good. I just felt they were so obvious that I intentionally shot for more obscure.
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I might as well put this out here since I thought of doing it with the summoner, MINIONS!
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I might as well put this out here since I thought of doing it with the summoner, MINIONS!
Then I might as well respond with this.
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Spren from The Stormlight Archive.
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I might as well put this out here since I thought of doing it with the summoner, MINIONS!Then I might as well respond with this.
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David Eddings had an area in his Belgariad/Malloreon series of books where spellcasters would summon ineffable demons, part of the summoning was picturing a form to hold control of said demons, part of their duels was trying to make something more gross, horrifying and anatomically improbable than the person you were battling.
Anyway, Eidolons fit into that concept to a T.
It's one of the few places that a RAW summoner fits. For me though, a summoner is more flavorful with a more limited selection of evolutions by selecting from the list in Ultimate Magic.
Furies have been mentioned, but the Denarians from Harry Dresden are perfect Synthesists - outer planer beings that the human can call upon; they have a physical manifestation that changes how they look and grants all sorts of extra abilities.
I am playing one with the personality based off of Fred from the movie Drop Dead Fred, it is pure recklessness. The Daemons would be an interesting concept for a child summoner. Some time ago I read about a delusional summoner who believed their eidolon was the herald to one of the Old Great Ones. So it would be a toss up for me between the delusional summoner who worships her eidolon or having as many as possible little yellow minions.
Stanley and his Monster, from DC Comics, particularly his more recent appearances.
Wild Flower from Jade Empire is an interesting take on the Synthesist, with two personalities for her eidolon suit.
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It's one of the few places that a RAW summoner fits. For me though, a summoner is more flavorful with a more limited selection of evolutions by selecting from the list in Ultimate Magic.
I wish there were options for a more intelligent Eidolon, less melee oriented eidolon, with better spell casting options. Yes, you can make a skill monkey eidolon, but this is the exception rather than the rule.
The Darklings for the Darkness, aka Jackie Estacado (though maybe as a Master Summoner).
well f%$@, now I have to do this.
"Aw... what did they do, Jackie? What did they do to Jenny?
[chuckles evilly]"
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The Darklings for the Darkness, aka Jackie Estacado (though maybe as a Master Summoner).well f#@+, now I have to do this.
"Aw... what did they do, Jackie? What did they do to Jenny?
[chuckles evilly]"
Frankly I would just go for Shadow Caller (Fetchling racial summoner archetype)
You summon creatures with the shadow template and some very nice ones too with your summon monster ability, which is what I would use most of the time for various Jackie created creatures.
POKEMON!!!! EVERY EIDOLON EVER THOUGHT UP IS NOTHING MORE THAN THAT CHARACTERS POKEMON!
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POKEMON!!!! EVERY EIDOLON EVER THOUGHT UP IS NOTHING MORE THAN THAT CHARACTERS POKEMON!
Excuse me. My beloved wife is not one of those Poke-creatures you speak of. AND NEITHER ARE OUR CHILDREN.
I would poke your eyes out with a sword for the insult. But it is obvious you are blind and addle brained. Therefore I will let you suffer in your ignorance.
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POKEMON!!!! EVERY EIDOLON EVER THOUGHT UP IS NOTHING MORE THAN THAT CHARACTERS POKEMON!Excuse me. My beloved wife is not one of those Poke-creatures you speak of. AND NEITHER ARE OUR CHILDREN.
I would poke your eyes out with a sword for the insult. But it is obvious you are blind and addle brained. Therefore I will let you suffer in your ignorance.
If you're not Poke-ing your wife, where did the children come from?
The Darklings for the Darkness, aka Jackie Estacado (though maybe as a Master Summoner).well f*$$, now I have to do this.
"Aw... what did they do, Jackie? What did they do to Jenny?
[chuckles evilly]"
i did it
biped
bite x 2 - 2
head x 2 - 4
reach x 2 - 2
large - 4
Shadow form - 2
unnatural aura - 1
tentacle x 2 - 2
skilled (bluff) - 1
undead appearance 3 - 6 (see if you can get your GM to say light is positive energy for you, and darkness is negative)
fast healing - 4
Shadow Blend - 2
The Darkness is level 20 if not having a few mythic levels.
This Skrillex video is totally a halfling summoner with the childlike trait and her eidolon.
So, does that make the master summoner's eidolons and summoned critters the schoolgirls from Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" video?