Question about Mogmurch - promo card


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One of his powers is:

Recharge this card to add 2d6 and the Fire trait to any check.

Should that be combat check or does it (as states) literally mean ANY check, including closing locations?! The addition of the Fire trait would only make sense for combat checks, and the fact it could be any check seems a bit over-powered.

Just wanted to check.


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Klandestine wrote:

One of his powers is:

Recharge this card to add 2d6 and the Fire trait to any check..

If that's what it says (haven't got any promos yet), then that is a *very* good power! For a recharge? Yes, please.


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Well, that's not ALL it says. When you use the extra 2d6, there is backfire potential. Someone posted the full text in the base set discussion:

Mogmurch (Goblin Alchemist)
Ally P
Check to Acquire: Charisma Diplomacy 7 or Ranged Craft 5

Powers:

Recharge this card to add 2d6 and the fire trait to any check. If at least 1d6 rolled on that check is a 1, you are dealt 1d4-1 fire damage.

Discard this card to succeed at your Craft check or to explore your location; each character at your location is dealt 1 fire damage.


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Whether or not is "should" be limited to combat checks, I can't say. But it isn't necessarily true that only combat checks can get the Fire trait. And given the "penalty" you might get for using it, I think any check feels more right. If it was just combat checks, I wouldn't be tempted to use it. But with any check, I'm much more tempted to keep him around and take the risk from time to time.

Grand Lodge

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I'd have to agree, Mogmurch is using his (fire-based) alchemy to help you with a check ... unfortunately, there is a chance the lil goblin causes an explosion. I think the Fire trait is for combat purposes but not the actual check assistance. (Meaning that the Fire trait just flavors the combat check with the Fire trait. Which means you may not want to use his assistance if the combat opponent is immune to Fire. But the Fire trait is probably useless for other check assistances.)


That is a seriously risky card, especially since you have at LEAST two 1 in 6 chances to suffer the penalty; more if there are more d6's in the roll than the two he contributes to it.


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csouth154 wrote:
That is a seriously risky card, especially since you have at LEAST two 1 in 6 chances to suffer the penalty; more if there are more d6's in the roll than the two he contributes to it.

To not roll a 1 on two d6 is 5/6 times 5/6 = 25/36. So about a 30% chance of fire damage. Maybe there's a hide of fire resistance type armor or another Ring of Protection ...


jones314 wrote:
csouth154 wrote:
That is a seriously risky card, especially since you have at LEAST two 1 in 6 chances to suffer the penalty; more if there are more d6's in the roll than the two he contributes to it.
To not roll a 1 on two d6 is 5/6 times 5/6 = 25/36. So about a 30% chance of fire damage. Maybe there's a hide of fire resistance type armor or another Ring of Protection ...

Right, and that's just assuming that the only d6's being rolled are the two that he contributes.


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Like the Runeforged weapons, this thing went right over my head. 2d6 to any check seems pretty powerful, and I ain't that scared of a little damage (especially with a Ring of Protection hopefully around the corner). Gonna give Mogmurch some serious consideration.

But he'll never top Poog in my heart.


csouth154 wrote:
That is a seriously risky card, especially since you have at LEAST two 1 in 6 chances to suffer the penalty; more if there are more d6's in the roll than the two he contributes to it.

That's interesting - I initially read it as being the d6's you rolled for Mogmurch but the card doesn't make it explicit so yes could apply to any d6 in that case. Not sure if that was intended.

The fire damage makes it pretty risky I know, but still - in ROTR having such an ally like that to help close (or temporary close) an annoying location would have been awesome.

Mind you having got round to looking at the cards in the S&S base set, there are A LOT of boons to boost checks, granting higher rolls and bonuses, more so than ROTR - so perhaps Mogmurch isn't as crazy OP as I thought.

Well, he 'IS' still crazy I guess...


jones314 wrote:
csouth154 wrote:
That is a seriously risky card, especially since you have at LEAST two 1 in 6 chances to suffer the penalty; more if there are more d6's in the roll than the two he contributes to it.
To not roll a 1 on two d6 is 5/6 times 5/6 = 25/36. So about a 30% chance of fire damage. Maybe there's a hide of fire resistance type armor or another Ring of Protection ...

Don't forget, he deals 1d4-1 fire damage, so 25% of the time you roll a 1 he still doesn't deal any damage. That drops it to about a 23% chance.

My question is how do I get a Mogmurch card? My two favorite retailers seem to have never heard of the card. According to Paizo they should have gotten it in July. Both stores are normally on top of these things, so did something change?

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The promo card was supposed to be available in August at GenCon (not July). But it was one of those they said they'd ship later. So the reason your retailers don't have it, is because it is shipping this month.


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Actually, no. Mogmurch was, indeed, supposed to be shipped to retailers in July as part of an announcement of the OP system for the card game. That's how the person whose comment I linked earlier got his/her copy. It was not the convention promo (Goblin Keelhaulin' was), but it was available at Gen Con for subscriber pick-up and may have been given to other people. Some retailers (mine included) did not get the announcement pack. This could be because they didn't order any Paizo products for the month of July or there was an issue with their distributer.

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Hmm, Mogmurch is the one promo I was unable to obtain at Gen Con. I got Goblin Keelhaulin' with my pickup, and they had Ranzaks there, but they told me the rest of the promos weren't there. I got a copy of Goblin Weidling by playing in an OP event, which left me very confused about what they did and didn't really have. I picked up my sub during the exhibit hall early access so I presume more stuff came in later.

Supposedly the missing promos are being sent this week. I'm a little confused by the whole way the subscription craziness came out so I'm really unsure what I'm actually set to get in September, especially as the sub previews still seems to be messed up.

I'm really hoping I'm not set for a second add-on deck, for example. Just waiting for the authorization email I guess.


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Wow, he looks like a lot of fun. He also seems like an extremely powerful card if your group has decent healing power (or fire resistant armor!)


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You won't get a second base set. As for the promo cards from GenCon, I'm not sure exactly what they'll do. But you'll probably get a second Goblin Weilding, because the one you got for the OP event wasn't your subscription copy of the promo.

They are attempting to send those GenCon pickup promos out this week.

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Hawkmoon269 wrote:

You won't get a second base set. As for the promo cards from GenCon, I'm not sure exactly what they'll do. But you'll probably get a second Goblin Weilding, because the one you got for the OP event wasn't your subscription copy of the promo.

They are attempting to send those GenCon pickup promos out this week.

Right now I have a vague idea that I might get a(nother) copy of each of the four promos - they weren't really keeping track of who got what during pickup. As long as I end up with at least one Mogmurch I'm happy.

I know I won't be getting a second base set. I'm hoping that I'm not queued for a second add-on deck. If I am I'll contact CS and I'm sure it will be sorted out. I know that things have been hectic and confused this past month.


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Oh. I misunderstood you about the add-on deck. Do you see one in your sidecart? The one in My Subscriptions is potentially a glitch, but to keep it from shipping to you they'd just need to make sure it isn't in your sidecart. Mine is in my sidecart (I didn't go to GenCon.)

And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you might get a few duplicate promos. Unless they were sure a certain card was given to everyone, they might not have a way to easily know who got what cards. So the easiest thing might be to just send you one of each.

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It does say I have one in my sidecart, but I'm not sure how much of that preview screen to trust right now.

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pluvia33 wrote:
Actually, no. Mogmurch was, indeed, supposed to be shipped to retailers in July as part of an announcement of the OP system for the card game. ... Some retailers (mine included) did not get the announcement pack. This could be because they didn't order any Paizo products for the month of July or there was an issue with their distributer.

All that is correct, and I'd like to know who their distributor is...


There are at least two characters with reroll powers, so they would work well with Mogmurch.

Use him with a Dogslicer to get your money's worth if you roll a 1.


Vic Wertz wrote:
All that is correct, and I'd like to know who their distributor is...

Not sure, but the stores are Unique Gifts and Games in Grayslake, IL and Games Plus in Mount Prospect, IL.

Grand Lodge

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So our retailers should have gotten an announcement pack? I mean the ones that signed up. I can find out the distributor for the store I work with.

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Retailers didn't need to sign up for the OP program to get the pack—indeed, the whole point of the pack was to tell them they *can* sign up! They *should* have just gotten them along with their July shipment of Paizo products from their distributor.

I'll ask our sales team to investigate the situation with the two stores in IL.


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I like the idea of sticking Mogmurch and Jirelle together! Sounds like a match made in heaven.


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Vic Wertz wrote:
pluvia33 wrote:
Actually, no. Mogmurch was, indeed, supposed to be shipped to retailers in July as part of an announcement of the OP system for the card game. ... Some retailers (mine included) did not get the announcement pack. This could be because they didn't order any Paizo products for the month of July or there was an issue with their distributer.
All that is correct, and I'd like to know who their distributor is...

Hi Vic. I stopped by my local store today and asked. They use WarPath Games.

As I mentioned, he may have not gotten the announcement pack because he may have not ordered any Paizo products during the right time period. He's a really small store so much of his business is in special order. I was going to ask him to see if he could request it back in July, but I didn't get around to it and ended up subscribing starting with the Add-On Deck instead to make sure I get all of the promos (double dipping at my local store because I'd feel bad otherwise).

However, I also asked him if he got any promos with the Base Sets that he got in this week for me and a friend, and he did not. Was the first retail promo on schedule to ship with the Base Set or is it coming with the Add-On Deck? He wanted me to ask if there was someone he could contact (his distributer or someone at Paizo) so he might still be able to get the announcement pack with Mogmurch cards and the first retail promo if he missed it. Thanks and hope this helps.


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I'm pretty sure the retail promos are all coming to retailers with the character add-on deck, just like they are to subscribers.


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I hope the promo doesn't come attached to the Add-On Deck for retail stores. It makes sense to do it that way for subscribers because a lot of subscribers don't want the Base Set as part of their subscriptions due to shipping costs. For retail stores, it's kind of the other way around. Some people are likely to get the Base Set, but might not buy the Add-On Deck because they don't plan on playing with more than 4 people and aren't too interested in the other characters. Some people who pick it up at local stores might be less hardcore/completest as a lot of the players on here. I know that my friend at least ordered the Base Set and not the Add-On Deck. Of course, that's likely to also mean they won't care as much about missing out on one little card, but you never know.


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It isn't really attached to a product for retailers. They don't necessarily get 1 per a particular product. They just get "some" promos. But retailers seem to be getting them when they get the add-on deck.


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I just wanted to bump this up to mention that I was talking to my local store owner yesterday. He got his shipment with the Character Add-On Deck, Class Decks, and Adventure Deck 2. I asked him if he got any promos with the shipment, and he said no, he still hasn't gotten a single promo for the card game from his distributor, WarPath Games.


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pluvia33 wrote:
I just wanted to bump this up to mention that I was talking to my local store owner yesterday. He got his shipment with the Character Add-On Deck, Class Decks, and Adventure Deck 2. I asked him if he got any promos with the shipment, and he said no, he still hasn't gotten a single promo for the card game from his distributor, WarPath Games.

My FLGS has also never gotten a PACG promo from their distributor and they have sold a fair number of base sets and adventure decks.


My FLGS has also had a terrible time getting promos (through Alliance, I believe); I got exactly 1 promo through him, and it took weeks of me badgering him to badger his rep.


An update: Just picked up the S&S Character Add-On and Deck two and my store (Unique Gifts & Games) still has no promos.


Just picked up my base game and adventure deck 2 and character pack and got no promos either. The owner said he didn't get any. Even he thought that was odd seeing as I've always bought the game through him and have all the promos from rise of the runelords. And I really want those promos.

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We send promos to distributors, and they decide how they they get to stores, and even which stores get them. (We send boxes of promo cards to each distributor; the number of individual cards each distributor gets is not necessarily 1:1 with the number of decks they get; it's usually lower.) So if your retailers aren't getting promos from their distributors, they should ask their distributors.

Also, note that promo cards go out with initial distributor shipments only, not reorders, so I'd fully expect most distributors to only send promos to stores that have *preordered* PACG products. If they're ordering only on or after release, the distributor will very likely not have any left by the time they ship that order.


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By the way, the Fire trait even on a non-combat check can be relevant, say at the Old Light (which allows you to add to checks with the Fire trait). Not the same base set, but still.

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