Advanced Class Guide Additional Resources missing the following:


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Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

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Most of the RPG books either say everything is legal except, or only the following is legal, The Advanced Class Guide does not and lists everything individually, because of that we can't assume things not listed are either legal or not.

All of the problems are in the Archetype chapter section and Additional resources just states "all archetypes on pages 75–133 are legal for play, except" not everything is that section are archetypes.

The Advanced Class Guide Additional Resources is missing if any of the following is legal:

New Alchemist Discoveries Pg. 75: No listing on if they are legal or not.

New Barbarian Rage Powers Pg. 80: No listing on if they are legal or not.

New Dares for Gunslinger Pg. 94: No listing on if they are legal or not.

New Magus Arcana Pg. 104: No listing on if they are legal or not.

New Barbarian/Skald Rage Powers Pg. 114: No listing on if they are legal or not.

New Combat Style Pg. 118: No listing on if they are legal or not.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

You also might want to Mention nothing in Chapter 6 is legal.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

THIS. I really want to make sure they intended to ban all these things, since it seems like a clear oversight.

My magus is DYING to get her hands on the new Arcana - I would really love to see Additional Resources updated to include these.

Dark Archive 5/5

I too had noticed this. And while we're on the subject of additional resource updates, I'd love to see the owners of catfolk, ratfolk, and samsaran boons have official access to their chapters from the ARG. John Compton previously noted that they were likely to get access to everything from those chapters, but since that comment there has been an update to the additional resources without any progress on this.

I have a samsaran character all ready to go, and I can't play it until I'm sure it's legal.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

So any answer on this yet?

4/5

On another note the strangler brawler archetype is legal in pfs, which fits the flavor of murdering hobos...


David_Bross wrote:
On another note the strangler brawler archetype is legal in pfs, which fits the flavor of murdering hobos...

Wait... murdering hobos or murder hobos? There's quite a difference between the two.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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It seems I missed this thread before it disappeared from the list of recent discussions. The concerns are noted and have been added to my to-do list following the September scenarios. From my recollection, I believe all of the dares, discoveries, arcana, rage powers, etc. were going to be legal for play, but I'll need to review that chapter to be sure.

Shadow Lodge

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Angrish wrote:
David_Bross wrote:
On another note the strangler brawler archetype is legal in pfs, which fits the flavor of murdering hobos...
Wait... murdering hobos or murder hobos? There's quite a difference between the two.

What if he's talking about Murder Hobos murdering Hobos (who may or may not be Murder Hobos, but are definitely Murdered Hobos)?

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

Thanks John

Shadow Lodge

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John Compton wrote:
It seems I missed this thread before it disappeared from the list of recent discussions. The concerns are noted and have been added to my to-do list following the September scenarios. From my recollection, I believe all of the dares, discoveries, arcana, rage powers, etc. were going to be legal for play, but I'll need to review that chapter to be sure.

Thanks John! I'm overjoyed to hear that this might have been an oversight, and I look forward to letting my magus parry and riposte with her swashbuckling comrades!

Grand Lodge 5/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

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I have already made those changes in Additional Resources and they will be live when the next update goes up.

4/5

Angrish wrote:
David_Bross wrote:
On another note the strangler brawler archetype is legal in pfs, which fits the flavor of murdering hobos...
Wait... murdering hobos or murder hobos? There's quite a difference between the two.

Go read the archetype. Its quite obvious that they are murderers, and probably have no place in PFS.

Advanced Class Guide, Strangler Archetype wrote:
A strangle is trained to choke the life out of her victims with her vise-like grip. Some stranglers are self-taught and are little more than brutish murderers, unhinged sociopaths, or opportunistic alley-bashers. Others are members of murder cults or specialized schools of assassination, trained since the cradle to kill with their bare hands.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

Now be fair. They could be reformed murderers, using their skills to defend innocent pathfinders

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

David Bross wrote:
Go read the archetype. Its quite obvious that they are murderers, and probably have no place in PFS.

I thought that went on the resume as "previous experience" ?

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

Thanks Mike


Michael Brock wrote:
I have already made those changes in Additional Resources and they will be live when the next update goes up.

Awesome, thanks Mike!

Does anyone know how often these updates are made? I'm really looking forward to some retraining.


I also wonder if they got the two order of the beasts confused.

Shadow Lodge

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber
Nohwear wrote:
I also wonder if they got the two order of the beasts confused.

That's...a really good point. I agree that I wasn't quite able to figure out why they had disallowed the one. But if they thought it was the Rovagug version, that makes complete sense.

I know I have a Huntsman Cavalier concept which would love to use the currently disallowed version.

Sovereign Court

Something else I noticed today:

Dragon Empires Gazetteer:
To create a kitsune, nagaji, or wayang character, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.

Dragon Empires Primer:
Races: To create a kitsune, nagaji, or wayang character, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation

Advanced Race Guide:
To create an aasimar, dhampir, fetchling, grippli, goblin, ifrit, kitsune, nagaji, oread, suli, sylph, tiefling, undine, vishkanya or wayang character, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.

(Also, check out my newly earned first GM star. Awesome.)

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
David_Bross wrote:
Angrish wrote:
David_Bross wrote:
On another note the strangler brawler archetype is legal in pfs, which fits the flavor of murdering hobos...
Wait... murdering hobos or murder hobos? There's quite a difference between the two.
Go read the archetype. Its quite obvious that they are murderers, and probably have no place in PFS.

Ban the Slayer. Their class title says they slay things. They're murderers, and have no place in PFS.

Several other problem classes exist too. Barbarians are uncivilized - while they're capable of dealing nonlethal damage, most of the players who play barbarians aren't mature enough, and deal lethal damage instead (even though the nonlethal penalty is only -4!), so they need to be banned too, since killing has no place in PFS.

The wizard class can cast several spells which are not strictly nonlethal assaults - for example, I even saw a supposedly "Lawful Good" wizard light someone on fire with magic just because he was an armed thug working for the Aspis Consortium! They're definitely on the ban list because killing stuff, especially in a painful way such as with fire, has no place in PFS.

Grand Lodge 2/5

The Morphling wrote:
David_Bross wrote:
Angrish wrote:
David_Bross wrote:
On another note the strangler brawler archetype is legal in pfs, which fits the flavor of murdering hobos...
Wait... murdering hobos or murder hobos? There's quite a difference between the two.
Go read the archetype. Its quite obvious that they are murderers, and probably have no place in PFS.

Ban the Slayer. Their class title says they slay things. They're murderers, and have no place in PFS.

Several other problem classes exist too. Barbarians are uncivilized - while they're capable of dealing nonlethal damage, most of the players who play barbarians aren't mature enough, and deal lethal damage instead (even though the nonlethal penalty is only -4!), so they need to be banned too, since killing has no place in PFS.

The wizard class can cast several spells which are not strictly nonlethal assaults - for example, I even saw a supposedly "Lawful Good" wizard light someone on fire with magic just because he was an armed thug working for the Aspis Consortium! They're definitely on the ban list because killing stuff, especially in a painful way such as with fire, has no place in PFS.

Did you even read the description quoted before you tried to make your joke?

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Yes. I was simply pointing out the absurdity of the position that a class focused on killing things is inappropriate for a game about killing things. Some wizards are demon-worshipping necromancers - that doesn't mean the wizard is banned. Some stranglers are Chaotic Evil serial killers - that doesn't mean the strangler is banned. It's actually funny that someone would take this stance.

Scarab Sages Venture-Agent, Washington—Ballard aka WiseWolfOfYoitsu

I agree with Morphling on this. I plan on making a Strangler with low INT, who just wants hugs. Like the Yeti from looney toons. He'll be decent at taking things out, but confounded as to why things always die when he hugs them.

Silver Crusade

The Morphling wrote:

]Ban the Slayer. Their class title says they slay things. They're murderers, and have no place in PFS.

You're obviously completely misunderstanding the Slayer class. Death is their gift. That's not a bad thing.

:P


Fromper wrote:
The Morphling wrote:

]Ban the Slayer. Their class title says they slay things. They're murderers, and have no place in PFS.

You're obviously completely misunderstanding the Slayer class. Death is their gift. That's not a bad thing.

:P

Did you mean to make a Buffy reference?

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

Thanks for updating Additional Resources with all above!

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