Bloodrager Bloodlines vs Sorcerer Bloodlines


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Is there an official FAQ or errata out yet about whether the Bloodrager Bloodlines are similar enough to the Sorcerer ones to qualify for such things as "Robe of Arcane Heritage" or the Dragon Disciple archetype?


Nope.


As a GM, I would give them Dragon Disciple on a RAI basis, but probably not the Robe.


I'd allow it, but RAW no, and there probably won't be, we'll see.

Scarab Sages

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If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform.

This means the bloodrager must have the Draconic bloodline to take Dragon Disciple, but Dragon Disciple is still providing the sorcerer bloodline, so you would have the bloodline abilites of a Bloodrager x and Sorcerer y.

Liberty's Edge

SAMAS wrote:
As a GM, I would give them Dragon Disciple on a RAI basis, but probably not the Robe.

The Bloodrager requires you to have the same bloodline if you gain another bloodline.

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change." source

The real rub is that RAW the dragon disciple grants sorcerer bloodline, but many would expect (and prefer) it to continue the bloodrager bloodline.


Nipin wrote:
SAMAS wrote:
As a GM, I would give them Dragon Disciple on a RAI basis, but probably not the Robe.

The Bloodrager requires you to have the same bloodline if you gain another bloodline.

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change." source

The real rub is that RAW the dragon disciple grants sorcerer bloodline, but many would expect (and prefer) it to continue the bloodrager bloodline.

For my home game I ruled that it continued to advance the bloodrager bloodline and granted one round of rage per level. No one played one though so not sure how the rule would work, but since the bloodrager only gets it when raging, and most the sorcerers stuff is always on it seemed fair. Otherwise you have a lot of useless, overlapping abilities.

Scarab Sages

Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
Otherwise you have a lot of useless, overlapping abilities.

I think that's as it should be. Bloodrager single class is superior to going dragon disciple. Increasing Rage, better Spellcasting, Bloodline powers, and FCBs should be a tradeoff for the Stat boosts DD gives.

Draconic Bloodrager is for all intents a single class Dragon Disciple.


Imbicatus wrote:
Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
Otherwise you have a lot of useless, overlapping abilities.

I think that's as it should be. Bloodrager single class is superior to going dragon disciple. Increasing Rage, better Spellcasting, Bloodline powers, and FCBs should be a tradeoff for the Stat boosts DD gives.

Draconic Bloodrager is for all intents a single class Dragon Disciple.

I did a quick and dirty comparison back during the revised playtest and came to the same conclusion. Single class Draconic Bloodrager is just flat better than PrCing into DD. Taking EH for Abyssal or Orc and you're losing very little stats but getting a huge bloodline payout for not splitting.

Sovereign Court

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I'd like it if Fiendish Sorcery applied to Bloodragers too though.


Nipin wrote:
SAMAS wrote:
As a GM, I would give them Dragon Disciple on a RAI basis, but probably not the Robe.

The Bloodrager requires you to have the same bloodline if you gain another bloodline.

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change." source

The real rub is that RAW the dragon disciple grants sorcerer bloodline, but many would expect (and prefer) it to continue the bloodrager bloodline.

No, I mean RAI, I would let Draconic Bloodrage line count as the Sorceror Bloodline for advancing as a DD, so they would continue to advance along the Bloodrage line.


SAMAS wrote:
Nipin wrote:
SAMAS wrote:
As a GM, I would give them Dragon Disciple on a RAI basis, but probably not the Robe.

The Bloodrager requires you to have the same bloodline if you gain another bloodline.

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change." source

The real rub is that RAW the dragon disciple grants sorcerer bloodline, but many would expect (and prefer) it to continue the bloodrager bloodline.

No, I mean RAI, I would let Draconic Bloodrage line count as the Sorceror Bloodline for advancing as a DD, so they would continue to advance along the Bloodrage line.

It's really more a house rule than RAI. The devs were well aware of this combo, it was mentioned in the bloodrager playtest threads multiple times, and even had a few threads of its own. For whatever reason they purposely made a decision that made it a poor choice to say the least. RAW and RAI are almost certainly that it DOES indeed advance the sorcerer bloodline.

Not really the decision I had wanted, but thems the breaks. You can house rule however you want though.

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