Can an Attack of Opportunity provoke an Attack of Opportunity?


Rules Questions


For instance, if you try to Sunder someone as an AoO (which you are allowed to do) without having Improved Sunder, does your attack/sunder of opportunity provoke?


Short Answer: Yes.

But both of you will be limited to one AoO per round without combat expertise, so dont expect the trade of blows to last long.


yes, it can.

Especially if both combatants have combat reflexes this could lead to a nice chain of events.


Shadowkras you mean Combat Reflexes, not Combat Expertise.

But the answer remains yes, any actions you take as part of an Attack of Opportunity will provoke as they normally would. Which would cause your enemy to get an AoO against you which would resolve before your AoO.


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Shadowkras you mean Combat Reflexes, not Combat Expertise.

Indeed, i did.


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Everyone has combat reflexes, then the madness begins!

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Side Discussion:
Everytime this come up, I always remember the super saiyan mythic barbarian fight, where two come and get me barbarians with mythic combat reflexes infinitely provoke from each other attacks until the end of time.

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If you have two without Improved Sunder but with Combat Reflexes both trying to sunder each other's weapons as an AoO, I'd (in a home game at least) just have both weapons end up broken. :-D


Just don't forget that you can't take an AoO with an unarmed strike unless you have Improved Unarmed Strike. Sometimes that matters to prevent such a chain.


"Never break the chain"


Partizanski wrote:
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Hmm, so they both deliver an infinite amount of arm-swings that would have to take place within a 6-second timeframe... generating an infinite amount of energy, which annihilates the entire universe and causes the big bang. Everyone reroll.

we had this happen last night...

enemy on ground prone with the blind condition wielding a great axe. paladin comes in to grapple him without the improved grapple feat. i say to the gm that the prone enemy gets an aoo on the paladin(at severe penalties). gm says "the prone guy lashes out with a punch" and then rolls a natural 20. ughh

i ask the gm if the prone enemy has improved unarmed strike and answer is no so he does'nt provoke with his punch. frustrated the gm says he strikes out with his great axe instead(prone+ blind). i then say he has a 50% miss chance too.....

gm hates my combat reflex reach trip/dirty fighter


He probably doesn't get an AoO if he's blind.


No "probably" about it:

Pathfinder SRD, Combat, Concealment wrote:
You can't execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with total concealment, even if you know what square or squares the opponent occupies.


nice catch.....

first time playing this highly trip/dirty trick provoking character
stuff like this is gonna come up now. the prone guy grabbled a vial out of his backpack provoking, then tried to drink it provoking. gm was pulling hair out. after the guy swollowed the vial of poison i poured antitoxin on top of it and the gm said "foam comes out of his mouth and he dies...." lol

hail hydra


I think the answer is yes. But i have houseruled that you cannot use a AOO on somthing that will give the other guy a AOO. So no tripping AOOs unless you have improved trip or are safe away with reach or concealment.


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Sure it is possible. Had that come up several times.
- Enemy wants to drink a potion of invisibility to flee from combat
- PC uses AoO to sunder the potion and provokes because he doesn't have the feat.

Most of the time it is worth getting hit with an AoO to keep an opponent from drinking a potion. More so because drinking a potion needs a free hand and thus the AoO will not be made two-handed.

That's the best use of sunder.


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Partizanski wrote:
Everytime this come up, I always remember the super saiyan mythic barbarian fight, where two come and get me barbarians with mythic combat reflexes infinitely provoke from each other attacks until the end of time.

And this is when the God of Reason shows up and says "Not while I'm here!", then teleports them both to oposite sides of the universe.


I think it is more fun to Disarm a potion than to Sunder it. As an added bonus you get to keep the potion as treasure.

Grand Lodge

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Cap. Darling wrote:
I think the answer is yes. But i have houseruled that you cannot use a AOO on somthing that will give the other guy a AOO. So no tripping AOOs unless you have improved trip or are safe away with reach or concealment.

That is a house rule, as you said.

What is more fun is the AoO chain that only incidentally includes the enemy.
Trip with Greater Trip, so the target of the trip provokes from you, so you can then use that AoO to Disarm them , followed by the Vicious Stomp when they land prone at your feet.

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Two barbarians with Combat Reflexes and Come and Get Me can slaughter one another as soon as the first one attacks.

Yes, you can definitely provoke with an AoO.

Note that the guy on the ground hitting with the nat 20 didn't provoke if he was using a gauntleted fist.

==Aelryinth

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