What D&D campaign setting would you like to see converted for Pathfinder?


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Steve Geddes wrote:
FWIW, The question of which settings I'd rather have converted to pathfinder (which I answered) has a different answer than the question of which settings I'd like to visit in an AP.

That's also true. No setting is monolithic. An AP visit is likely to only explore a single smallish area of a setting, so it's not like an adventure set in the Scarlet Brotherhood is really touching on the other 95% of the Greyhawk setting, or would be anything like one set in Hepmonaland, or the lands of the Frost Barbarians, or the Lenore Isles.

For AP visits, smaller city-states or whatever would be the way to go.

Freeport
the city in Ghostwalk (Manifest?)
other big cities like Sigil, Waterdeep, Greyhawk, Ptolus, Axis or the City of Brass

maybe a visit to a more regionally themed area, like can be found in Naranjan, Hamunaptra or Al-Qadim, that often share a similar tone across an area, just to stop it from being a smorgasboard of big cities, which, no matter how different they are, would get stale.


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Maztica would be fun to visit. :)


Steve Geddes wrote:
FWIW, The question of which settings I'd rather have converted to pathfinder (which I answered) has a different answer than the question of which settings I'd like to visit in an AP.

Yeah, I gotta second this. It changes my list as well.

For a one-off short stop in a setting, I'd vote instead:

> Sigil (Planescape)
> Manifest (Ghostwalk)
> Orgrimmar or Icecrown (Azeroth)
> (this space intentionally left blank)

I love the themes of Dark Sun but I don't know of any of its individual locations, so I can't in good conscience recommend it for a stopping point.

Ditto with Spelljammer - to me the setting is less about individual locations and more about the ability to move freely between realities, and that can't really be reflected in a short one-chapter jaunt.


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Steve Geddes wrote:
FWIW, The question of which settings I'd rather have converted to pathfinder (which I answered) has a different answer than the question of which settings I'd like to visit in an AP.

The thing that you are missing is that we "MAY" be creating FULL campaign setting in addition to doing the AP, that "MAY" connect directly to the end of AP. But as we stated in the beginning, we want to know which campaign setting people would like to see converted. Starting from that input, we can make more informed choices of what we might like to do. I think too many people are trying to figure out what out larger goal is without understand what our basic idea premise is as a business. To me its like the old joke of the three blind people describing an elephant they are touching.

Shadow Lodge

RAVENLOFT RAVENLOFT RAVENLOFT RAVENLOFT
*clears throat*
Uh and dark sun, and spell jammer

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I vote for Forgotten Realms

...to be one of the setting that is destroyed.

Bonus points if Elminster dies in full view of the PC. Graphically.

Even more bonus points if the PCs get to help.

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Kthulhu wrote:

I vote for Forgotten Realms

...to be one of the setting that is destroyed.
Bonus points if Elminster dies in full view of the PC. Graphically.
Even more bonus points if the PCs get to help.

Oh, the Realms aren't that bad. (Plus WotC already blew them up for you! Crisis on Infinite Spellplagues, wasn't it?)

Just have Elminster be an 8th level Divination specialist Wizard, with a truly terrifying collection of commissioned erotica depicting him and various goddesses and notable female rulers (none of whom he's ever met, or have ever heard of him), and run with it.

Like pretty much every setting, you pick and choose what you like, and ignore the rest, and, it being such a big setting, there's a lot of stuff there to like.

It's not like they've got spacefaring xenophobic penguin furries, or an entire nation of tortles, or... kender.

Ugh. I just remembered gully dwarves. My soul needs a shower.


1. Darksun!!! Nuff' said.

2.Forgotten Realms. With the Mythic rules, it would be a much better approach to the Chosen and other Realms iconic characters.

3. Spelljammer could be cool.

4. The Scarred Lands from Sword and Sorcery.


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I wish people spent more time answering the questions than constantly questioning the motives of the OP. I find the constant picking apart and arguing way more annoying than vague questions.

Also, Maztica please :)


Wish I'd never mentioned it really.(it was supposed to be helpful). Sorry, I'll delete it.


It's not just you, so don't think I'm just picking on you :).

It's just derailing the original post into what I feel is another meaningless forum squabble. I really want to see a setting and a Crisis type of AP. Even of it is only inspired you can get some cool ideas out of that.

Also, Maztica should be in there. :D


i think Eberron could benefit from using it with pathfinder

Shadow Lodge

I like forgotten realms as presented in the edition I first played in it (2e)
However 4e kinda burned me out on it


Dragonlance, Ravenloft, and Birthright were the only ones I played extensivly.


Odraude wrote:
I wish people spent more time answering the questions than constantly questioning the motives of the OP. I find the constant picking apart and arguing way more annoying than vague questions.

Again, everyone who is doing those analyses has already answered the questions. So the option is continue to discuss the idea - which we're doing, or trying to do with the limited information we have - or everyone is required to shut up once they've put in their four suggestions.


Freeport is already getting converted to Pathfinder. I wish Onyx Path would hurry up with the Scarred Lands. Others I would like to see are Dragonlance and Erde.


I would like to see Darksun and Ravenloft.. just to have them get destroyed. That would be fun.

Liberty's Edge

Darksun
Spelljammer
and Eberron.

I see those three as having the best flavor for Pathfinder.


Dragonlance
Darksun
Planescape
I'll throw in the fourth one if I think of another one.


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Odraude wrote:
I wish people spent more time answering the questions than constantly questioning the motives of the OP. I find the constant picking apart and arguing way more annoying than vague questions.

I'm sorry you feel that way Od. Problem is, there is actually some contention to what is actually being discussed/what the queries are for. As you can see just upthread, folks answers are changing based on the perceived change in information. There is a real lack of clarity here that is all mixed up in marketing jazz. Which is all grist for Louis' mill.

LMPjr007 wrote:
The thing that you are missing is that we "MAY" be creating FULL campaign setting in addition to doing the AP, that "MAY" connect directly to the end of AP. But as we stated in the beginning, we want to know which campaign setting people would like to see converted. Starting from that input, we can make more informed choices of what we might like to do. I think too many people are trying to figure out what out larger goal is without understand what our basic idea premise is as a business. To me its like the old joke of the three blind people describing an elephant they are touching.

[Emphasis mine]I would only respond by saying with the confusion expressed here, on the thread, the only way to ease that confusion is to get some clarity.

It seems like people are questioning the motives of the people who are questioning the question as initially posted, but subsequently changed in discussion. Which I am totally fine with. Question away!!!

So Louis - to the portion I bolded -

* is it actually possible legally to "convert" a WotC setting to Pathfinder?
* what is your definition of "conversion". Are we talking all the IP, or a "themed" CS that isn't the IP in question.


1. Forgotten Realms
2. Dark Sun
3. Planescape
4. Greyhawk


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Odraude wrote:
I wish people spent more time answering the questions than constantly questioning the motives of the OP. I find the constant picking apart and arguing way more annoying than vague questions.

I'm sorry you feel that way Od. Problem is, there is actually some contention to what is actually being discussed/what the queries are for. As you can see just upthread, folks answers are changing based on the perceived change in information. There is a real lack of clarity here that is all mixed up in marketing jazz. Which is all grist for Louis' mill.

LMPjr007 wrote:
The thing that you are missing is that we "MAY" be creating FULL campaign setting in addition to doing the AP, that "MAY" connect directly to the end of AP. But as we stated in the beginning, we want to know which campaign setting people would like to see converted. Starting from that input, we can make more informed choices of what we might like to do. I think too many people are trying to figure out what out larger goal is without understand what our basic idea premise is as a business. To me its like the old joke of the three blind people describing an elephant they are touching.

[Emphasis mine]I would only respond by saying with the confusion expressed here, on the thread, the only way to ease that confusion is to get some clarity.

It seems like people are questioning the motives of the people who are questioning the question as initially posted, but subsequently changed in discussion. Which I am totally fine with. Question away!!!

So Louis - to the portion I bolded -

* is it actually possible legally to "convert" a WotC setting to Pathfinder?
* what is your definition of "conversion". Are we talking all the IP, or a "themed" CS that isn't the IP in question.

OK the point that many seem to be missing in this:"... campaign setting people would like to see converted? Never did we say we would be able to do it. We never talked about the legality. We never talked about the IP. We asked: What four (4) D&D campaign setting would you like to see converted for use in Pathfinder? Once again like a poor marksman, people keep missing the target.


Way to stay classy Louis. Insulting folk for being curious.

If I ran a chocolate cake making concern and asked you "would you like to see some chocolate cake" would you think:

* I was merely proud of my chocolate cake making skills and wanted to showoff

* I'm merely interested in seeing if you are interested generallly in the concept of chocolate cakes

OR

* perhaps I might be thinking about selling you a …. chocolate cake.

Seriously Louis. You are a 3PP Publisher. Not a fan asking other fans what they are interested in. As I said above - this is the Compatible Products from Other Publishers. Not twitter.

You asked a question. It's only fair that I got to ask one too. You insulted the posters (more than once) - should we insult you too, or do you feel we have already done that by having the temerity to be curious in ways you were not looking for?


Oceanshieldwolf wrote:

Way to stay classy Louis. Insulting folk for being curious.

If I ran a chocolate cake making concern and asked you "would you like to see some chocolate cake" would you think:

* I was merely proud of my chocolate cake making skills and wanted to showoff

* I'm merely interested in seeing if you are interested generallly in the concept of chocolate cakes

OR

* perhaps I might be thinking about selling you a …. chocolate cake.

Seriously Louis. You are a 3PP Publisher. Not a fan asking other fans what they are interested in. As I said above - this is the Compatible Products from Other Publishers. Not twitter.

You asked a question. It's only fair that I got to ask one too. You insulted the posters (more than once) - should we insult you too, or do you feel we have already done that by having the temerity to be curious in ways you were not looking for?

I am not insulting you. I have not EVER insulted in this complete thread. What I have done is not answer you the question they way you apparently want me to. I have not changed my question from the initial post.

If you think I have insulted you, I am sorry. That was not my intent.


Eh, it's all good Louis. You aren't really going to engage with the point I'm making. Carry on.


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LMPjr007 wrote:
the point that many seem to be missing in this:"... campaign setting people would like to see converted? Never did we say we would be able to do it. We never talked about the legality. We never talked about the IP. We asked: What four (4) D&D campaign setting would you like to see converted for use in Pathfinder? Once again like a poor marksman, people keep missing the target.

It's not there's a problem with your question, it's just that the answers you insist on are boring.


1: Lankhmar. Always had a hankering for it.
2: dark sun
3: Greyhawk
4: old fashioned Mystara, just for old times sake.


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I never saw any Mystara stuff. It's getting lots of votes so perhaps I should go looking.


LMPjr007 wrote:

I am working on something for future release and I wanted to get feedback from the Pathfinder fanbase: What four (4) D&D campaign setting would you like to see converted for use in Pathfinder? Edition doesn’t matter just the setting. Thanks!

Dark Sun(have not played it since 2nd edition so I dont remember a lot, but I do remember it being easy to die)

Eberron(I would like for this to be a bigger world so it has more nations)

Ravenloft(never go to play it, just liked what I read)

Pre-Spellplague FR (tone down the high power NPC's walking on every street corner)


Top five number of mentions ...
(Took time to tabulate)
Dark sun
Spelljammer
Ravenloft
Planescape
Eberron

Forgotten realms should probably be inserted in there too, because of all of the sub settings of forgotten realms that were mentioned. Add all of those together, and it leads.


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OK the point that many seem to be missing in this:"... campaign setting people would like to see converted? Never did we say we would be able to do it. We never talked about the legality. We never talked about the IP.

On a post in the "compatible products" forum, as a known 3rd-party product producer, you're asking a purely theoretical question with full knowledge that you may not be able to do so (which you only openly acknowledged four pages into the discussion, may I add)?

And you're seriously going to pull the "Well we never SAID that" routine?

That doesn't come across to you as even the teensiest bit ingenuous?


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It would be one thing to start off without any clearly stated intent, then to be a little coy. But this steadfast refusal to have any actual discussion or speculation is something of a turn-off for me. We're supposed to line up, spit out our top four, and move on? What exactly are we supposed to be getting out of this experience?

Sovereign Court

I don't care what it is, I want it at this stage.

Now, logistics and delivery ?


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1) Hijinx
2) Deathnet
3) V for Victory
4) Thunderball Rally


LMPjr007 wrote:

I am working on something for future release and I wanted to get feedback from the Pathfinder fanbase: What four (4) D&D campaign setting would you like to see converted for use in Pathfinder? Edition doesn’t matter just the setting. Thanks!

Greyhawk.

Just Greyhawk.


Hark wrote:

Planescape

Dark Sun
Forgotten Realms, pre-spellplague
Ravenloft

As much as I love Raveloft I'm going to have to retract that suggestion because I'm kicking myself for forgetting one of the best settings of all time.

Council of Wyrms.


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Vyvyan Basterd wrote:

1) Hijinx

2) Deathnet
3) V for Victory
4) Thunderball Rally

When Paizo puts out Pathfinder Modern, I would LOVE to do these. Especially Thunderball Rally.


Spelljammer
Savage Coast
Maztica, without Amn
Spelljammer again


I have to say I am NOT surprised that Ravenloft and Dark Sun are so popular campaign setting (I was inspired to do Obsidian Apocalypse because of that same information). But, I am surprised there we SO MANY Spelljammer and Planescape fans out there. While they are considered to be "dead" niche categories, the interest is still strong.

Liberty's Edge

Demonstrating why the questions being asked are important:

Which campaign settings would I like to see converted?

1. Maztica
2. Forgotten Realms (Faerûn)
3. Hordelands
4. Kara-Tur

What themed campaign setting would I be the most likely to purchase?

1. Native American
2. Arabian
3. Asian
4. Space

So, similarities, yes, but the same, no. But this order gets shaken up massively when we are asked what places we'd like to visit in an AP (and assuming a restriction of one per setting):

1. Shadowdale (Forgotten Realms)
2. Hommlet (Greyhawk)
3. Inn of the Last Home (Dragonlance)
4. Castle Ravenloft (Ravenloft)

So, there's barely any similarity.

So in order for Louis to get results that are in any way useful, we need to know what's actually being asked. It'd be a shame if he launched a product and a lot of the effort went to waste because the wrong question was asked to begin with and nobody opened discussion.

Having said that, that is of course Louis' risk to take, and if he's intent on "just let me worry about the details", then no skin off my nose.

Silver Crusade

1. Dark Sun
2. Spelljammer
3. Dragonlance
4. Forgotten Realms
5. Ravenloft


If asking about specific settings:
Planescape
Ravenloft
Ebberon
Dark Sun

If asking about theme/genre:
Atmospheric horror/supernatural (just not pure despair ala CoC)
Victorian supernatural
Dimension hopping
Post apocalyptic


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So this is related, but not an exact answer...

Something I noticed it that a good campaign setting that REALLY wows us is one we don't even know we want. Before spelljammer and planescape who thought of something THAT BIG in scope? Before Eberron who was like, "Know what this game needs magic robots and a class the revolves around magic items". Before Birthright who thought a setting where it wasn't so much about dungeons and dragons but about borders and armies was the way to go? Before Castle Ravenloft who was saying "I need to take this game and make it EVEN DARKER and kind of hopeless"? Before Shadowrun, were we really beating down developer's doors asking for orcs that could jack into cyberspace and elven street samurai with wired reflexes wielding mono-blades?

A good idea is not one we've rehashed a dozen times. Neil Gaiman explained that The Doctor shouldn't be an actor we all know and could "totally see playing the doctor" but rather, "I want to see The Doctor. I want to be taken by surprise. I want to squint at a photo of the person online and go “but how can that be The Doctor?”. Then I want to be amazingly, delightedly, completely proven wrong, and, six episodes in, I want to wonder how I could have been so blind. Because this is the Doctor. Of course it is.". In the same way, a good campaign setting should spark something new and show us the game in a way we didn't see it before.

I'd postulate that we don't even know what we want yet because we haven't seen that really cool, unique, and NEW thing that will change it all. Sure, a rehashing of the themes and tropes of Ravenloft or Spelljammer could move a few copies of a book- but to make something new? THAT is where it's at for both the publisher and the player. You develop and IP you can rely on for decades and players get to experience something totally new and exciting. I'll quote Gaiman again (at the risk of sounding unoriginal), "Make Good Art".

Sorry for the rant/threadjack. This thread just got me thinking and it felt relevant.


My favorite D&D adventure was James Jacob's and Richard Baker's Red Hand of Doom. I would love to see a similar adventure path written for Pathfinder. I loved the Elsir Vale where the adventure was written.

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I am working on something for future release and I wanted to get feedback from the Pathfinder fanbase: What four (4) D&D campaign setting would you like to see converted for use in Pathfinder? Edition doesn’t matter just the setting. Thanks!

Hey. I've liked a bunch of your stuff in the past; so here are my top 4 (5th added as a bonus, since I doubt anyone else will even think of it):

D&D Settings
#1. Sigil+Planescape
#2. Faerun(Forgotten Realms) (3.5 Era)
#3. Azeroth (Warcraft)
#4. Spelljammer
#5: Sanctuary (Diablo)

Realms
For the Realms, I would be looking largely for direct updates and analogues to the 3.x and 2.x Realms stuff, ideally for use with my various Realms Supplements I already have. Golarion is already a kitchen sink fantasy setting that is it's own thing. It's a pretty close analogue to the realms in many ways, but it definitely has a more modern (and IMO overly american) twist. I'm not a huge fan of the cowboys and civil war reenactors uniformed soldiers, for instance.

The realms had it's several subraces, all of which I liked, and the elemental planetouched were quite good (as opposed to the Pathfinder Planetouched which I think are not good at all). It also has some factions I love seeing stuff on, and you could theoretically write some very similar factions I could use (Red Wizards, Zhentarim, Harpers, Chosen of Mystra). I'm also a fan of several of the FR cultures. Rashemen's Witches, Thay's Mageocracy (hey, it fits in both categories), Raven's Bluff's criminals, Halruaa's Very Different Mageocracy, the Western Heartlands' and Dalelands various Independent City States. Mythals are fantastic. Tel'kiira and Selu'Kiira are really cool ideas. I like the Gates all over the realms. Netheril is also very entertaining, with its shadow-people. And then the Realms has its expansive Pantheons, based on race and culture, and each deity has either its own realm, or a shared realm with others of the same Pantheon. I like the idea of the Specialist Priest - perhaps as a superset of abilities which can be archetyped onto other classes, wherein the Priest has mostly domain spells, but each domain's spell list would be significantly larger, additionally, the priest's other class features might vary. For instance, a priest of Mask or Vhaeraun could be structured on top of a Rogue or an Archetyped Ranger; it would have stealthy capabilities and priestly magics suited to that. It may or may not have the typical cleric fare at all, or at least, less frequent access to effects like heal and cure.

All in all, I would want Realms material that Converts/Adapts/Updates previous realms materials up to Pathfinder, with the serial numbers filed off, but direct analogues that could be combined with actual realms material.

Planescape
This one, the details could be much less of a direct adaptation and much more of an original setting with a similar premise, without it negatively affecting my interest.

Azeroth/Warcraft
I've been a fan of the Warcraft setting since Warcraft II came out. I'm not a huge fan of the MMORPG, but the fiction behind it is great. There is a great deal to be said for a setting where you have Orcs, Trolls, Large-sized Minotaurs, Intelligent Zombies, and Goblins as basic player races. In some of the games you can also have control of Gnolls, which is also nice. A setting where the countries are largely populated by the monster races that are conventionally only enemies (or at leasst, not playable, like centaurs, satyrs, and dryads) is good. Large Sized creatures have a few problems as player characters, but I highly enjoy them. Changing the weapon damage scaling table is the simplest fix and one I've used in the past - each step increase increases average damage by 1, only introduce new dice if you have to (I know most people don't have d14s, d16s, or d18s kicking around). (Just don't bother changing the damage on monster stat blocks who are balanced around the old table). Reach is nice for AoOs, but you do have the trade off of being able to be beat on by 12 people simultaneously instead of 4.

Spelljammer
If you take a setting and make it largely ships/spaceships/airships, and then fill it with piratesand give me excuses to travel to new and exciting places, as well as hop from one published setting to another, I'm going to have a good time. Just let me be the captain.

Sanctuary/Diablo
I know it's basically a darker world for dungeon crawling, with demons and devils at the forefront, and demons mostly winning. That's a fun premis on it's own (There's a reason I bought heroes of horror, Have both Libris Mortis (literally, "the book that is dead"), Book of Vile Darkness, Both Fiendish Codices and all three Books of the Damned, Anger of Angels, Blood of Fiends - and have been meaning to pick up blood of angels and demon hunter's handbook - and it isn't to try to run an actual horror game - I'm terrible at that). A darker D&D world is an entertaining thing.
I am also a fan of random generation. If you give me a system (or computer program) that shuffles things up and gives me random items Diablo/Infinite Dungeons Style, I will have a ton of fun. Such a system would probably be better served with a computer program/web app), but I dont know anyone who GMs without at least a laptop anyways. I would still be interested if it involved Cards or Random Tables. Likewise if you want to give me massive sprawling dungeons that are randomly generated, that sounds fun too.

Bonus points if you can successfully give me Spelljammer+Planescape simultaneously.

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Odraude wrote:
Oh... I was hoping this would be fully fleshed out settings, not one offs for an adventure.
LMPjr007 wrote:
Well that might be part of it, but we have to work out a few bits of logistics.

I was also describing interests in a campaign setting book (or several) rather than an adventure path.

With what you have described as an adventure path premise, I would be much more interested in it having a Spelljammer+Planescape type of setting, and having the various weird locales we travel to that are getting destroyed, to be not already published settings. Obviously the destruction of campaign settings will not be canon, and I think I would rather avoid "What If" world ending shenanigans of places I might want to include as places the PCs might go in a future campaign (or maybe as a continuation of the same campaign but with new characters), particularly if the game focuses on planar hopping.

And if you're looking for themes I am interested in or things that would work well as a "with the serial numbers filed off" for a new campaign setting:
1. Planar Hopping & Factions
2. Air-Ships & Sky-Pirates
3. Monster Races for Players - Preserving Size
4. Massive City of Guilds (Ravnica Style)
5. A Wilderness Focused Campaign in a world without Humans, Lorwyn Style.
6. Asian Influenced Elemental Setting (Avatar the Last Airbender/Legend of Korra - would require lots of new character options)
7. Transmutation (Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - would be difficult to do in Pathfinder)
8. Jak & Daxter
9. Roguelike Random Generation of Adventures, Dungeons, and Treasure.

And if you're interested in hearing about plots I think could provide good inspiration for or a good adaptation into RPG Plots/APs/Campaign Premises:
1. War of the Spider Queen + Lady Penitent + Empyrean Odyssey
2. The Last Mythal
3. Diablo I & II (Roguelike Hack n Slash)
4. Halo Series
5. Age of Apocalypse (But the players need to have an investment in the regular timeline before changing it like that matters).
6. Marvel's Secret Invasion
7. X-Men Endangered Species + X-Tinction. (Not sure if Pathfinder would be a good system for this one)
8. Sliders
9. Stargate SG1/Atlantis
10. Andromeda
11. Fringe
12. BBC's Sinbad
13. Legacy of Kain Series (History Abhors a Paradox)
14. Golden Compass
15. Guardians of Ga'hoole
16. Final Fantasy Tactics
17. Legend of Mana
18. Chrono Trigger
19. Tales of Phantasia.


I would love to see The Warlords of the Accordlands from AEG be Pathfinderized. I think it is a woefully under-appreciated campaign setting of four core books.

Loved what they did with Elves (and to a lesser extent, the dwarven backstory).

Thanks for asking!


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LMPjr007 wrote:
I am surprised there we SO MANY Spelljammer and Planescape fans out there. While they are considered to be "dead" niche categories, the interest is still strong.

I subscribed to Pathfinder APs just for Iron Gods. Aside from Ultimate Campaign, the only print Pathfinder books I've bought in the last couple of years are Distant Worlds, Doom Comes to Dustpawn, People of the Stars, and the Technology Guide. Not only do I want Spelljammer, I only want Spelljammer.

That said, I'm with Scott_UAT. Part of what I like about Spelljammer (and I imagine why so many people like Planescape so much) is that it doesn't have much that compares with it. I'll pay attention to--and probably pay for--any well-done setting riffing on cultures, places, time periods, or concepts that aren't already represented or are underrepresented by existing settings, or settings that throw cultural tropes completely out to build something new.

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Eberron

Dark Sun

Forgotten Realms

Ravenloft

In that order.

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