A question of class.


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And I don't know if I'm even in the right forum (should it be in the PACG Rules forum?).

This is a question for the PACG organized play events, and it comes from this block of text in v 1.1 of the PDF:

"All the cards must come from your Class Deck, with one exception: You may substitute any character of the appropriate class (along with a matching role and token card) from a base set or Character Add-On Deck. For example, if you’re using the Fighter Class Deck, you may use the fighter Valeros from the Rise of the Runelords base set or the Skull & Shackles base set."

This makes me wonder if Alahazra is then playable via Class Deck, and if so, what Deck class would she belong to? Cleric? Sorceror? Bard? It also makes me wonder if Amiri is compatible, and if so, which Deck? Fighter?

I'm still trying to decide which character to take into Organized Play, but tops on my list of S&S characters is Alahazra and Ranzak, who I didn't think were going to be playable ('til maybe now) except in home games.

On the other hand, does this actually mean it must be a character who is in both S&S (or RotR) and the class decks, like Harsk, Meri, Val, Seoni, Ezren, or Kyra? I'm not inclined to think so, but the example referenced Val specifically, which made me wonder.

Sczarni

Probably this forum would be best.

(but I've only played the card game once myself)

Shadow Lodge

This is specifically a PFSACG question, so... I'm not really sure either way on where this question should be asked.

That said, each character will have their class listed on the character card itself. You can use any character from a base set with a class deck for the same class; for example, you could use Lem from the RotRL base set with the bard class deck, because his character card lists him as a bard.

Slight tangent:
For the record, each version of Lem is slightly different, and each version has access to different roles; the RotRL Lem has the Virtuoso and Charlatan roles, the S&S Lem has the Sea Singer and Freebooter roles, and the class deck Lem has the Tent Preacher and Arcane Tinkerer roles, so using the base set versions does open up more options.

If you want to see all the differences between the different versions of each character, you can download the ACG "character sheets"; there's a set for each base set, and a separate set of character sheets that includes all of the class deck characters.

Alahazra is the iconic oracle (her card lists her as a female human oracle), and there isn't an oracle class deck (yet), so she is not currently available for PFSACG play. Likewise, Amiri is not playable until a barbarian class deck is released.

Scarab Sages

KL Sanchez wrote:

And I don't know if I'm even in the right forum (should it be in the PACG Rules forum?).

This is a question for the PACG organized play events, and it comes from this block of text in v 1.1 of the PDF:

"All the cards must come from your Class Deck, with one exception: You may substitute any character of the appropriate class (along with a matching role and token card) from a base set or Character Add-On Deck. For example, if you’re using the Fighter Class Deck, you may use the fighter Valeros from the Rise of the Runelords base set or the Skull & Shackles base set."

This makes me wonder if Alahazra is then playable via Class Deck, and if so, what Deck class would she belong to? Cleric? Sorceror? Bard? It also makes me wonder if Amiri is compatible, and if so, which Deck? Fighter?

I'm still trying to decide which character to take into Organized Play, but tops on my list of S&S characters is Alahazra and Ranzak, who I didn't think were going to be playable ('til maybe now) except in home games.

On the other hand, does this actually mean it must be a character who is in both S&S (or RotR) and the class decks, like Harsk, Meri, Val, Seoni, Ezren, or Kyra? I'm not inclined to think so, but the example referenced Val specifically, which made me wonder.

I'm inclined to say the last one, but like Nefreet said "best bet is to look on PACG forums."

Scarab Sages

on page 6 wrote:
Promo cards may not be used when building Adventure Card Guild character decks.

So I would imagine Ranzak is out as well.

Shadow Lodge

Kristen Gipson wrote:
on page 6 wrote:
Promo cards may not be used when building Adventure Card Guild character decks.
So I would imagine Ranzak is out as well.

Iirc Ranzak's class is listed as Raider, so he'd never be legal anyway.

Shadow Lodge

Kristen Gipson wrote:
I'm inclined to say the last one, but like Nefreet said "best bet is to look on PACG forums."

Technically, the character from the base set doesn't have to be in the class deck, they just have to have the same class as the class deck.

In practice, though, the characters in the base sets are the Iconics, and each class deck includes the appropriate Iconic for that class, so you likely will never find a situation where there isn't a version of the base set character in the appropriate class deck.

Shadow Lodge

James Wygle wrote:
Kristen Gipson wrote:
I'm inclined to say the last one, but like Nefreet said "best bet is to look on PACG forums."

Technically, the character from the base set doesn't have to be in the class deck, they just have to have the same class as the class deck.

In practice, though, the characters in the base sets are the Iconics, and each class deck includes the appropriate Iconic for that class, so you likely will never find a situation where there isn't a version of the base set character in the appropriate class deck.

Right, but RotR Valeros, S&S Valeros, and fighter class deck Valeros are all different.

Shadow Lodge

Dylos wrote:
Right, but RotR Valeros, S&S Valeros, and fighter class deck Valeros are all different.

Indeed; in fact, in my first post in the thread, I pointed out the same is true for Lem, the bard. The fact that they're different is the entire reason this rule exists.

Scarab Sages

James Wygle wrote:
Kristen Gipson wrote:
I'm inclined to say the last one, but like Nefreet said "best bet is to look on PACG forums."
Technically, the character from the base set doesn't have to be in the class deck, they just have to have the same class as the class deck.

I am aware, however, the OP is wanting to play Alhazra as a cleric and since Alhazra is an oracle and the oracle class doesn't have a deck yet, that means Alhazra is unavailable to play as a character in organized play.

Lem the bard, for example, there are multiple versions of him. Any of those options are viable as long as he is played with the bard class deck.

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