Rogue Talent AND Slayer Talents

[SillyString]

if I pick up the combat trick from levels in rogue, then gain levels in slayer, can I pick up the combat trick again from the slayer talent?

[Byakko]

Slayer has a parent class of Rogue and Ranger. So you can't take them both...

but even if you could, you can't take the same talent twice unless the talent specifically allows it.

(similar to how if you gain the same feat twice from two different classes, they don't stack with each other)

[Jeff Merola]

Byakko wrote:

Slayer has a parent class of Rogue and Ranger. So you can't take them both...

but even if you could, you can't take the same talent twice unless the talent specifically allows it.

(similar to how if you gain the same feat twice from two different classes, they don't stack with each other)

Uh, you can definitely multiclass Slayer, Rogue, and Ranger. The restriction was during the playtest, and was removed for the final release.

[Kenjishinomouri]

SillyString wrote:

if I pick up the combat trick from levels in rogue, then gain levels in slayer, can I pick up the combat trick again from the slayer talent?

I would say no, under the hybrid class description at the beginning of the chapter it says you can multiclass with the parent classes, but any redundant abilities do not stack. The rogue talent ability states that you cannot select the same ability more than once, as does the slayer talent ability. Since Rogue is a slayer parent class id say both those clauses in the abilities would prevent you from doing that raw.

Now my own opinion, I would probably allow this at my table because it doesn't seem op to me. A fighter can get a feat every other level and this combo can only do this twice and it waters down each classes other abilites, sneak attack and studied target.

[SillyString]

Kenjishinomouri wrote:

SillyString wrote:

if I pick up the combat trick from levels in rogue, then gain levels in slayer, can I pick up the combat trick again from the slayer talent?

I would say no, under the hybrid class description at the beginning of the chapter it says you can multiclass with the parent classes, but any redundant abilities do not stack. The rogue talent ability states that you cannot select the same ability more than once, as does the slayer talent ability. Since Rogue is a slayer parent class id say both those clauses in the abilities would prevent you from doing that raw.

Now my own opinion, I would probably allow this at my table because it doesn't seem op to me. A fighter can get a feat every other level and this combo can only do this twice and it waters down each classes other abilites, sneak attack and studied target.

Something that's just occurred to me, does that mean sneak attack from slayer and rogue don't stack?

(Also, thanks for the info, I don't yet have the book so I was going off of info on the d20pfsrd, the combat feat stacking issue doesn't hurt my character too badly, just means I'll need to wait another 2 levels for the feat :P )

[grenny72]

if I make a slayer and select rogue combat trick-Power Attack as one of his slayer talents, next time I get a slayer talent can I select combat trick-cleave?

[ohako]

eh, don't do that, just take the slayer talent ranger combat style: two-weapon fighting, and get your Cleave on that way.

[grenny72]

well I was thinking of making a switch hitting slayer. using the ranger combat style for archery (2-pbs, 6-rapid shot, 10-Precise shot) and the level 4, 8 and lvl 6human FCB of new slayer talent to get Power attack (combat trick), cleave (combat trick) and some other melee feat/undecided yet.

[Imbicatus]

Your archery combat style picks are horrible. It should go 2-Precise Shot, 6-Improved precise shot, 10-whatever. IPS is required for a ranged build, even if you plan on switch hitting.

[grenny72]

that is fine about the archery, but can I select multiple rogue combat tricks with my slayer talents?

[Imbicatus]

No. Unless otherwise noted, a slayer cannot select an individual talent more than once.

[NikolaiJuno]

SillyString wrote:

Something that's just occurred to me, does that mean sneak attack from slayer and rogue don't stack?

The rule for redundant abilities is incredibly vague, by a very strict reading of that rule a Fighter/Warpriest can't take Bonus Feat in both classes.

The rule is very much a judgment based thing for a GM to decide. For instance Fast movement from Barbarian/Bloodrager should probably not stack, Sneak attack probably should.

SillyString wrote:

(Also, thanks for the info, I don't yet have the book so I was going off of info on the d20pfsrd, the combat feat stacking issue doesn't hurt my character too badly, just means I'll need to wait another 2 levels for the feat :P )

I don't know what your character is trying to accomplish but the Swashbuckler Archetype for Rogue can take it twice.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/archetypes/paizo---rogue -archetypes/swashbuckler