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Yes, most will be using the character sheet, but that's irrelevant. There are people who don't, and they should not require an FAQ because their character is changed and the card is now flat out wrong on parts. If there were a guarantee everyone used the sheets,I'd agree,but that simply isn't how it is. Even if it's a card we can get ourselves from DriveBy or whatever the site is called that they're using to sell erratad RotR cards, that'd be fine. But a correct version of a card that is modified in a way that actually changes how he plays, needs to be available.*shrug* I disagree. This is the digital age. There is errata for pretty much every product that Paizo creates (and most other board/card/rpg games other companies make as well). It's an accepted industry practice and very few companies send out free replacements or even offer paid replacements.
Occasionally the next expansion for a game will come with reprinted cards with fixes but I don't think that's a great fit for this game. I would hate for my adventure deck 2 to waste valuable new card space for reprints.
You're talking about books, not single cards, and stuff that is 99% of the time discovered post release. If Pathfinder RPG released an item card deck for the next AP, and one of those was known to have some kind of flaw that actually affected the way you use it before it even released, I would most certainly expect it to be fixed or replaced.
Saying this is the digital age, especially talking about a physical game does not mean that requiring everyone to go digital (again, especially for a game that is physical) is ok. I'm not saying there should be reprints on all erratad cards. Just the ones that are changed before they even release, in a way that changes how they play. If I buy a physical game, I expect to have, at most, minor changes to it that I need to find online. Not errata that fixes a broken character.
I will agree that reprints shouldn't be included with future expansions. Unless, of course, those cards are actually part of that expansion as well, then I wholly expect at less that those copies would be correct.
As for "accepted industry practice", whether they should replace the card or not aside, I'm not trying to sound rude but I know it will -- That's a load of crap. Noone should be expected to just accept something they think is really bad just because everyone else does it. We aren't 5 year olds that excuse our actions based on others'.
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I've been following that thread from the beginning, is there a specific post you're indicating? At the moment, only RotR has been confirmed, and even that being after the release of class decks. I can only guess future sets and cards will only printed if the RotR ones do well enough.
If they'll be available, great. Before S&S is over, even better (I'd hate to hear S&S and Class Decks are coming after the release of Wrath). If not, I'm not 100% sure what you were linking the thread for, and I stand by my request.
I don't think the errata decks will really depend on sales. Vic has already said they will be priced so that Paizo doesn't make a profit on them. And since they are print on demand, they won't even be printed until you order them, so there is no risk of inventory sitting around.
My guess is that Vic was insinuating that they will make errata cards for all errata.
Actually, the size of cards will be the second printing size. The second printing is apparently the "typical" US printer card size. To cut cards requires a special. Making them if somewhat expensive. Too expensive to make a new one for the errata. So DriveThru's card die is the same size at the die used for the second printing of RotR as well as for Skull and Shackles.
US Printing of RotR is .5mm shorter than 1st printing of RotR
Errata cards will be .5mm shorter than 1st printing of RotR
So going forward, everything will be that size. 1st Printing RotR will be the exception.
Actually, the size of cards will be the second printing size. The second printing is apparently the "typical" US printer card size. To cut cards requires a special. Making them if somewhat expensive. Too expensive to make a new one for the errata. So DriveThru's card die is the same size at the die used for the second printing of RotR as well as for Skull and Shackles.
I have wondered if this whole "half a mm short" thing is due to the US keeping English measurements while the rest of the world is on metric.
Ah that's right. The size matches the second printing (S&S and future sets), but they were able to match the color of the Chinese prints.
Correct. In fact, a bit more than that, if I understood Vic right, it sounded like they had decided to make a set that color matched the 1st printing, and a set that matched the second printing. Actually, more than that, they had made multiple sets for each printing. I don't know how they'll break them down, but for example, maybe there will be a set of just Blessing of the Gods. That is a lot of cards and some people might say, "I don't really need that Blessing of the Gods." So they can save their money and skip it. And that would only have to match the 1st printing, since the second printing was correct. And then maybe there will be a set of all the undead errata. And there would be a first printing color match and a second printing color match of the undead errata set.
Again, that is inferring a bit from what Vic posted, but it is my guess right now.
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As someone who is planning on coordinating game nights at a few stores, I would be happy to purchase a dozen inexpensive updated Radillo cards from Drive-Thru and pass them out as needed to people who show up and cause problems for other players. If they come in and do it more than once and you give them a card, you can mark it on their chronicle sheet, and any further coordinator can ensure that they are using the updated card. Even simpler would be to loan them the card and give them time to rebuild so they can't "forget" it at home.
In a non-competitive environment that will theoretically run a lot like PFS, other players will be pretty quick to let offending players know that they aren't enjoying their company. I think if it comes to that Radillo players will either welcome a free errata card or will stop using that character entirely if they want to continue to be an active part of the guild.
An even more attractive option would be for Paizo to ship a handful to every VC so that we don't need to purchase them on our own, but as stated, I myself don't mind a few bucks if it makes the community stronger.
Remember, the vast majority of people who buy this game aren't going to be going on to message boards to try to figure out ways to create over powered characters if PFS play is a reasonable analog... I have played dozens of PFS games with extremely underpowered, no concept, ineffective characters seated at the table. Power-gaming outside of home game PFS scenarios is actually not usually a problem in my experience.
Most times when someone brings up a totally broken combo in RPG play, real world polling shows that it isn't as pervasive as people fear it is within the actual gaming community, I anticipate things will be the same with PACG OP.
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To the second that varies a lot by location I suspect. I mean sure you will always get a few really bad characters at any location but the relative ratios of bad/avg/overpowered have got to be wildly different at each site. Most tables here have pretty strong characters with a few exceptionally powerful ones. You get a random terrible char sometimes to drag along with you but it's not common.
Expect table variation I suppose. In the 3 years I've been playing it is pretty balanced out in our region.
Paper printouts would work, but those aren't sexy :) I would prefer to reward someone with something nice but relatively valueless for playing along for the good of the community, even if it is on my own dime.
In a non-competitive environment that will theoretically run a lot like PFS, other players will be pretty quick to let offending players know that they aren't enjoying their company. I think if it comes to that Radillo players will either welcome a free errata card or will stop using that character entirely if they want to continue to be an active part of the guild.
Haha, are you sure about that? Not confronting spoilsport players is like a nerd super power.
So is the thought that there will be errata slightly altering the char? Or a massive overhaul? Or just leave the char as is and ban him from Organized Play?
Home games self-balance. If the char is too overpowered or annoying a home game will just not play him. So really the only problem is in Organized Play.
Just wait till we issue a ruling, please. We've said nothing official about this yet.