Does the magus count his class levels as swashbuckler class levels when using deeds?


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Scarab Sages

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Question: Does the magus count his class levels as swashbuckler class levels when using deeds?

Magus gain access to swashbuckler deeds via two new arcana in the ACG. Neither arcana touches the subject of level used to calculate the effectiveness of deeds that use swashbuckler level.

Flamboyant Arcana (Ex): wrote:

A magus gains the derring-do and

opportune parry and riposte deeds from the swashbuckler’s
list of deeds. The magus can spend points from his arcane
pool as panache points to use these deeds and any other deeds
he gains from the deed arcana, but he cannot use points
from his arcane pool to use deeds from other classes or those
gained by feats, nor can he regain points to his arcane pool
as a swashbuckler would regain panache points. Effects that
add to, reduce the cost of, or otherwise affect panache or grit
don’t affect the arcane pool of a magus with this arcana.
Arcane Deed (Ex): wrote:

When a magus takes this arcana, he can

pick any one deed from the swashbuckler class feature as
long as that deed can be used by a swashbuckler of his magus
level. The magus can use that deed by using points from his
arcane pool as the panache points required for that deed.
A magus can take this arcana multiple times, each time
gaining a new deed. The magus must have the f lamboyant
arcana (see below) to select this arcana.

The question is self explanatory. How are deeds, such as Precise Strike, calculated when taken by the magus as an Arcane Deed?


Not by RAW, same as the Daring Champion. I'd hazard to say yes by RAI.


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Given Precise Strike and Improved uncanny dodge(which is only 1/3 of a deed anyways) are the only ones effected by level, I'd say no, especially given similar abilities will state quite specifically that X class level counts as class levels in class Y for such effects.


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I mentioned this in another thread, but I think that the explicit addition of "Precise Strike" to the Daring champion makes the RAI a 'yes'.

That being said, marking this FAQ as I would like an official answer.


RAW Nope doesn't work.
RAI it should.

Scarab Sages

Secret Wizard wrote:
Not by RAW, same as the Daring Champion. I'd hazard to say yes by RAI.

Much of the ACG was poorly edited. I only asked this particular question due to the many instances of RAI very obviously not aligning with RAW.


The way I read it is that you use your magus level as though it was swashbuckler levels. That would make it reasonable that it would be used to calculate the damage too. That is the only way that it works.

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