ACG Seething Hatred feat


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This feat appears to be worded to be way more powerful than intended.

I believe the intention is only to double the bonus damage granted by 'studied target'. But as worded it appears to double the ENTIRE bonus to damage (including things like strength, magic properties etc).

The text of the feat is as follows:
Benefit: Select a creature type from the Ranger Favored
Enemies table (Core Rule-book 64). When you designate a
creature of this type as your studied target and hit it with
a melee or ranged weapon attack, your bonus on damage
rolls against it is doubled.

What does everyone else think?


If it says, "bonus on damage rolls", I would think that would only be weapon damage.

I could see someone arguing for precision damage, like sneak attack, or enchancement damage, like bane, but I would think this works more like vital strike than mythic vital strike... if you get my meaning.

Without the standard action problems...


Globetrotter wrote:

If it says, "bonus on damage rolls", I would think that would only be weapon damage.

I could see someone arguing for precision damage, like sneak attack, or enchancement damage, like bane, but I would think this works more like vital strike than mythic vital strike... if you get my meaning.

Without the standard action problems...

Bonus to damage is the number part of the damage roll. A greatsword attack would be 2d6 +20, the +20 is the bonus to damage, which, with the current wording, seems to indicate the full +20 being doubled.

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It is worded poorly, but when I read it I assumed that the bonus it was talking about was from studied target, not every bonus you get.

It doesn't say that it doubles all bonuses to damage and it prefaces the sentence with the studied target bit, after all.


Alexander Augunas wrote:

It is worded poorly, but when I read it I assumed that the bonus it was talking about was from studied target, not every bonus you get.

It doesn't say that it doubles all bonuses to damage and it prefaces the sentence with the studied target bit, after all.

It most likely is RAI that it's only to the damage from the studied target. But it says "your bonus on damage rolls" which by default is all. Just because it was tied to only effect your studied target, as worded it would double any and all bonus to damage rolls you had.


Yeah, when I read it I am assuming it is referring to the bonus granted from Studied Target, not every bonus you get. That being said, I think that is the intention, but the way it is worded is poor and that meaning isn't necessarily clear.

Scarab Sages

That would be correct, only the Studied target damage is doubled. Here is an excerpt of the explanation of the feat taken out of the Bonekeep III scenario with omissions for obvious reasons.

"Seething Hatred - When a XXXXXXX designates a
"CREATURE" with the "CREATURE" subtype as his studied target and
hits it with a melee or ranged weapon attack, the studied
target bonus on damage rolls against it is doubled."


Hmm, I wonder if a class with favored enemy+instant enemy and this feat could use instant enemy to always double the bonus.

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