2 Arcanist questions:


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Scarab Sages

I'm having a disagreement with some of my PFS buddies, so this is a PFS-related question.

1) Can the arcanist cast spells that are NOT in the core rulebook. If you read the description of the arcanist, it specifies that the arcanist can use sorcerer/wizard spells IN THE CRB. Does this mean that an arcanist can ONLY use these spells or are other spell available to them?

2) Can an arcanist leave spell slots open in the way that a wizard can, and then take 15 min later in the day in order to fill them up?

Thanks.

Scarab Sages

1) the arcanist isn't limited to spells that are only in the core rulebook. The arcanist cast spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. That list is presented in chapter ten of the CRB, and modified by other officially released content.

The sentence says the list is presented in chapter 10, not restricted to chapter 10. Which is true. The list IS presented there, and expanded in other books.

2) The arcanist can't leave spell slots open. "An arcanist must choose and prepare her spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying her spellbook. While studying, the arcanist decides what spells to prepare and refreshes her available spell slots for the day."

There's nothing in the chapter about preparing spells like a wizard, so for now, it appears that they can't hold out slots for later use.

Scarab Sages

I agree with you, but I'm not sure my friend will. I suppose it's too soon to expect an errata or FAQ on this yet. Thanks.


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There will be no FAQ/errata on this, the design team will say that the answer is self evident. There is no way to stop people from reading "Ramond Luxuryyacht" as "Throatwarbler Mangrove".


thorin001 wrote:

There will be no FAQ/errata on this, the design team will say that the answer is self evident. There is no way to stop people from reading "Ramond Luxuryyacht" as "Throatwarbler Mangrove".

Give them reading glasses?


2. The witch has the same language, but it can leave slots open.
I also see the CRB specifically calls out wizards though, but I think it is just an oversight.

I am guessing someone will eventually open up an FAQ asking if any arcane class that can prepare spells can leave slots open. When the CRB was made the wizard was the only arcane prepared caster.

Scarab Sages

thorin001 wrote:

There will be no FAQ/errata on this, the design team will say that the answer is self evident. There is no way to stop people from reading "Ramond Luxuryyacht" as "Throatwarbler Mangrove".

Just for the record, which "self evident" interpretation of the rules do you suppose the design team will support? My interpretation or my friends?


You are aware that the Wizard has the exact same language? My ~4th printing says "A wizard casts arcane spells drawn from the sorcerer/wizard spell list presented in Chapter 10." So either all of those extra spells are worthless for everyone or the standard language for spell lists just refers to that chapter for some reason.

The Exchange

PSusac the design team would support the one that is rules as written. Arcanist gets access to the spell lists, regardless of source. If your friends won't listen to you on this then i'd suggest you either hit them with said additional resources (The APG packs a good punch) or go speak to your local venture officer so they can do it for you.

There is only 1 self evident interpretation of the rules.

Then there is nonsense.

Your friends are supporting nonsense.


Does anyone know if Arcanists use metamagic rods with a standard or full-round action?


JT$ wrote:
Does anyone know if Arcanists use metamagic rods with a standard or full-round action?

My guess would be full round. Like the sorcerer


Full round if added spontaneously.
Standard if prepared IIRC


Magicdealer wrote:

1) the arcanist isn't limited to spells that are only in the core rulebook. The arcanist cast spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. That list is presented in chapter ten of the CRB, and modified by other officially released content.

The sentence says the list is presented in chapter 10, not restricted to chapter 10. Which is true. The list IS presented there, and expanded in other books.

2) The arcanist can't leave spell slots open. "An arcanist must choose and prepare her spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying her spellbook. While studying, the arcanist decides what spells to prepare and refreshes her available spell slots for the day."

There's nothing in the chapter about preparing spells like a wizard, so for now, it appears that they can't hold out slots for later use.

Considering this rule was written in the core rulebook, where the only preparation arcane caster to date was the wizard, we can assume that any other preparation-based arcane casters (specifically, the Witch, Magus and Arcanist, as the Alchemist already has special rules for extract preparation) follow the same rules.


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A wizard may know any number of spells. He must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying his spellbook. While studying, the wizard decides which spells to prepare.).
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An arcanist must choose and prepare her spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying her spellbook. While studying, the arcanist decides what spells to prepare and refreshes her available spell slots for the day.

Until I placed those paragraphs beside each other, I was very much of the opinion that Arcanists could not fill their empty spell slots later in the day. Now that I look, I see nothing preventing them from leaving slots open (though the Quick Study and Arcane Bond Exploits make it less necessary).

If the Arcanist cannot prepare in this way, then neither can the Wizard. What am I missing?

Scarab Sages

Rushley son of Halum wrote:

PSusac the design team would support the one that is rules as written. Arcanist gets access to the spell lists, regardless of source. If your friends won't listen to you on this then i'd suggest you either hit them with said additional resources (The APG packs a good punch) or go speak to your local venture officer so they can do it for you.

There is only 1 self evident interpretation of the rules.

Then there is nonsense.

Your friends are supporting nonsense.

Thank you! Now I can show him this thread, as an objective source.


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The text about leaving spell slots open is in the Core Rulebook under "Preparing Wizard Spells". Only the wizard class is mentioned, despite the fact that other prepared arcane spellcasters (the witch and the magus) now exist. Does this language apply to those classes? The same answer, whatever it is, should apply to the Arcanist.

Lantern Lodge

Probably a red herring, but the Quick Study exploit steps all over the concept of leaving unprepared spells. It's not the same - if only because of the time required, but it may affect our perception of the designers' intent.

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