Franc Crosses |
Can you move through squares occupied by an opponent if he allows you?
The rules only says:
Moving Through a Square
You can move through an unoccupied square without difficulty in most circumstances. ...
Opponent: You can't move through a square occupied by an opponent unless the opponent is helpless. You can move through a square occupied by a helpless opponent without penalty. Some creatures, particularly very large ones, may present an obstacle even when helpless. In such cases, each square you move through counts as 2 squares. ...
But if he voluntarily allows you, why couldn't you be allowed?
The trigger for this question is the following situation:
A player is going from A to B where between A and B there is a large invisible creature with reach 5. The approaching wouldn't let the creature do an AoO, but if he allows the player to pass by, than he would be able to do it, or not?
Zaister |
Why would you be able to move through the space of an ally but not the space of an opponent willing to let you pass? Do opponents have repellent fields?
If you want to argue by the letter of the rules, then where exactly is it defined what makes another creature an opponent? I would argue, that an opponent who agrees to let you pass through his space no longer figures as an opponent at that moment. "Opponent" means "someone who opposes you". If he's willing to let you pass, he's not really opposing.
Franc Crosses |
"Opponent: You can't move through a square occupied by an opponent unless the opponent is helpless."
Seems pretty clear to me.
If you think the opponent may be inclined to let you past, you could try an Overrun maneuver, and see if he'll let you.
The opponent in question is invisible and won't let you step into him (see last sentence in the question)...
terry_t_uk |
An invisible opponent may let you through to
a. prevent you from finding him there (I have had GM's do that to me - never thought it was a foul)
b. get you into a flanking position (all set up for the invisible rogue to get the sneak on all attacks, not just the first)
However, like Trekkie90909 stated, these are rare :-) Just depends how horrible your GM wants to be
Trekkie90909 |
"Opponent: You can't move through a square occupied by an opponent unless the opponent is helpless."
Seems pretty clear to me.
If you think the opponent may be inclined to let you past, you could try an Overrun maneuver, and see if he'll let you.
As a GM my explanation to your attempted rules lawyering would be "he makes himself helpless against your attempt to pass through his square." :P
Ascalaphus |
Invisible people are the bane of straightforward rules :P
From a strict rules standpoint, this is just wonky. You can't see someone is there, but you're not allowed to enter the square. So what happens if you try? I don't have a RAW answer. The invisible guy isn't attacking, so his invisibility doesn't break. And yet apparently he somehow blocks your passage. Weird.
Using more common sense, I'd allow an opponent to allow you to pass, if he wanted to. However, YOU are taking a risk, because he can A) decide not to let you, in which case you might waste your action, or be forced to use an Overrun, and B) he definitely gets to make an AoO on you for trying to invade his square (and leaving his surrounding threatened area).
Besides overrun, there's two more RAW ways to do this. One if for the opponent to be much bigger or smaller; in that case you can just move through, and he doesn't get to allow or forbid it.
The second is to use Acrobatics. If you fail the check to move through without provoking, the opponent isn't actually obligated to use his AoO chance.
Trekkie90909 |
Here's another possible work-around:
Take 5-Foot Step
You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can't take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can't take a 5-foot step in the same round that you move any distance.
You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.
You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can't take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.
You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.
Five foot step does not say it has to be taken on your turn. So invisible guy could stand there waiting, and when someone tries to pass through his square he could move out of there way. Granted this is at most once per round, and situationally limited if there's nowhere appropriate to move.
EDIT: I'm still of the opinion that it's perfectly legal to let someone through your square; it's a CMD check and there are plenty of other instances where a creature can voluntarily allow themselves to fail such a check. (i.e. you're drowning underwater and allow a teammate to grapple you and aid you to the surface).
It occurs to me however that this argument has a weak-spot, which is "what if the guy stops moving in invisible guy's square?" Obviously they can't share the space, so this would be a good workaround for that. Otherwise invisible guy will be discovered and forward movement prevented for other guy (oh my).