CEO, Goblinworks
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This is the thread to discuss today's two blogs:
Major Announcements of Start of Early Enrollment, New Explorer Package, Premium Items
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Sigh... Someone forgot to turn the blogs from draft(hidden) to published. Apologies. It has been fixed. Go read to your heart's content.
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Apparently these things can actually be constructed by engineers, but require substantial resources. The store objects are a shortcut.
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I can see the small holding and base camp but there is no sign of the "power regenerating" items mentioned.
Can anyone else see these ?
Both the Smallholding and Basecamp items state that they regenerate power once they are added to your cart. Nothing else is being sold in the store that does that - the Campfires mentioned will be player crafted.
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You need to have at least Explorer level account access to add a Base Camp or a Smallholding to your order. Right now the store is automatically including Explorer access in the purchase. We're going to talk about the logic of how that works tomorrow and we may make some changes to how that system works.
If you have Open Enrollment access, you can upgrade to Explorer, Early, or Alpha Enrollment and get $35 off the price.
If you have Explorer access, you can upgrade to Early or Alpha Enrollment and get $50 of the price.
If you have Early Enrollment, you can upgrade to Alpha Enrollment and get $100 off the price.
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So , all player owned housing in the future will be purchased from the store? That's a new idea, can I craft a bedroll to go with my campfire and bean pot?
Boy do I hate that form of interrogatory.
Posing a worst-case scenario as the actual fact and then commenting as if that fact were in evidence.
NO all player owned housing will not require a future store purchase. There will be player owned housing you will be able to craft from purely in-game resources.
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Goblin Squad Member
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I currently hold Early Enrollment privileges (or I certainly should), but the store is adding the $15 anyway. Is that expected?
I'm sorta assuming that it is a bug, but if there isn't any fix or clarification in a few days I'll hit customer service up.
EDIT: Nevermind, it looks like this just got fixed.
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Nice!
Fiery_Dervish, I share your concerns. I built my current computer to run the Beta for Lord of the Rings Online. That's been a few years ago. I've been thinking about building a new system for PFO, and now I have a timeline to plan around.
Quick comparison, from what we know so far:
Base Camp
Costs real money, not gold pieces
Regenerates Power
Provides a limited amount of storage space
Infinitely reusable, with a cooldown period between uses
Campfire
Made by crafters in-game and sold for gold pieces or bartered
Regenerates Power
Storage space? Unknown (at least to me)
Consumable (Want to build more than one? Buy a stack.)
Smallholding vs. POI or Kickstarter-purchased Tavern? Unknown. We don't know enough about POIs and taverns to make much of a comparison.
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I LOVE that both of these buildings can be traded and sold on the market. It really removes a barrier to purchase - if I find later on that I don't need it, I can sell it for gold. Probably a sizeable sum, given that it costs as much as multiple months of subscription.
Smart moves Goblinworks, love it.
Point to note: Looks like you can only buy one of each. I have bought a Base Camp, and now the option doesn't appear on the store for me anymore.
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So , all player owned housing in the future will be purchased from the store? That's a new idea, can I craft a bedroll to go with my campfire and bean pot?Boy do I hate that form of interrogatory.
Posing a worst-case scenario as the actual fact and then commenting as if that fact were in evidence.
NO all player owned housing will not require a future store purchase. There will be player owned housing you will be able to craft from purely in-game resources.
Thanks for taking the time to let me know I was being a pain in the arse ,that wasn't how I meant it and I appreciate knowing how it looked to you. GW does a great job answering questions and I shouldn't have asked in a way that doesn't rate a response.
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Is it possible (or am I just being blind and not finding it?) to see on the store what upgrades you have already purchased?As of the last word from Goblinworks, not yet.
They've said they plan to show that information, but they didn't know when that would happen.
Thanks, I just can't remember what add packs I have already and don't want to double up. I guess I'll just wait.
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@Ryan
Thanks for the updates! Need to review the blogs again latter and consult with my settlement.
I am concerned that I still lack solid information on POI/Outposts, and that new premium items were mentioned before those important components are better understood.
Looking forward to the community responses to these two blogs over the next few days. :)
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NO all player owned housing will not require a future store purchase. There will be player owned housing you will be able to craft from purely in-game resources.
I know you're busy but if you could give a little more info on the other options for player-crafted housing, I'd be most appreciative. What sets the $200- option apart from the other options besides it being available from the (almost) start?
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So , all player owned housing in the future will be purchased from the store? That's a new idea, can I craft a bedroll to go with my campfire and bean pot?Boy do I hate that form of interrogatory.
Posing a worst-case scenario as the actual fact and then commenting as if that fact were in evidence.
NO all player owned housing will not require a future store purchase. There will be player owned housing you will be able to craft from purely in-game resources.
The wording in the blog posts had me worried. I may have missed something but it seemed to me that if you weren't a part of a settlement, the store was how you got housing.
So there will be options for small companies to craft housing from in-game resources?
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@Fiery_Dervish - I am running the game on my mid-2012 Mac Mini which is the lowest powered machine in the office. I can run it comfortably (not at 30+ FPS, but good enough to play). My video system is an AMD6600M.
Ryan, thanks for that. It's more my GPU I'm worried about, it's on it's last legs....
I suppose it's a good excuse to my a new laptop lol
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There's a spreadsheet of recipes here which shows existing recipes for building things like: Basic Camp, Simple Camp, through assorted iterations up to Royal Camp. I presume there will be similar items available for the smallholding once settlement construction is closer to being in play.
Goblinworks Executive Founder
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So , all player owned housing in the future will be purchased from the store? That's a new idea, can I craft a bedroll to go with my campfire and bean pot?Boy do I hate that form of interrogatory.
Posing a worst-case scenario as the actual fact and then commenting as if that fact were in evidence.
NO all player owned housing will not require a future store purchase. There will be player owned housing you will be able to craft from purely in-game resources.
The wording in the blog posts had me worried. I may have missed something but it seemed to me that if you weren't a part of a settlement, the store was how you got housing.
So there will be options for small companies to craft housing from in-game resources?
You will be part of a settlement; you may remain a member of the NPC settlements, but at a very meaningful cost in terms of training and support.
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Fantastic news! Y'all are certainly moving fast, and it's a testament to some really great management and leadership that you'll be hitting a release target you set a year and a half ago in an industry that is notorious for missing them. Kudos :)
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The crafted campsites currently on the engineering recipes list are not persistent. They're essentially a group Power-restoration consumable glossed as camping out for the night (in the same way that you'd make camp to sleep and recover your dailies and spells in tabletop). They'll last for a short period (long enough for several people to use them) and then despawn. Higher level ones may have more amenities TBD, in addition to the Power regen, but their main use is that they give you more Power back.
Base camps will be significantly more persistent, which allows them to also serve as a storage location in a way that doesn't make sense for the engineering camps. It's TBD which crafted items will give you field storage, but a buried chest type of item is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
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Do these new buildings require resources to construct or training time to learn how to use equal to or greater then the training time / resources required to use the player crafted equivalents?
If two people buy the same amount of training time, and then spend the same amount of real world time acquiring the training points and then buy the same skills neither should have an advantage from going to the store and buying something for real world cash.
If person b can now go buy a safehold and get the benefits of a months training time in crafting skills, etc. required to duplicate the safeholds abilities they gain a month on person a.
That's Pay to Win.
You can define pay to win to be "nothing we sell in the store is pay to win because we say its not pay to win" but that doesn't make it not pay to win.
It just means you're changing the definition of pay to win so you can put pay to win items in the store and not call them pay to win.
