Since I'm on my phone, how much errata for the arcanist?
Something tells me that in the many edits this went through something got deleted/reworded here. I would suggest that after they officially announce the errata, first make sure they have not fixed this already, and if not post a FAQ thread.Page 140—In the Pummeling Style entry, change the
Benefit entry to read “Combine your unarmed strikes
together”.Huh... That's a really bad feat! Does nothing.
Xethik is quoting a change to the feat's listing on the feat table, not the actual errata to the feat itself.
The actual errata for Pummeling Charge reads as follows:
Change the Pummeling Style feat’s introduction to “Your unarmed strikes weave together in an effortless combo, focusing on the spots you’ve weakened with the last hit.” Change its Benefit section to “Benefit: Whenever you use a full-attack action or f lurry of blows to make multiple attacks against a single opponent with unarmed strikes, total the damage from all hits before applying damage reduction. This ability works only with unarmed strikes, no matter what other abilities you might possess."
So actually, its a flat nerf to any builds that were using Feral Combat Training in conjunction with the feat, but that's about it.
Also note that the new Pummeling Style has completely removed that critical part. This is a very good thing because previously that line led many to using the feat in a very weird way.
Edit: Also I guess if Parry couldn't qualify for Signature Deed anyway it wasn't really a nerf. Though if I had been in charge of errata I would've made it capable of qualifying then lol. It's a shame they didn't errata Charmed life to be a permanent save bonus.
Something tells me that in the many edits this went through something got deleted/reworded here. I would suggest that after they officially announce the errata, first make sure they have not fixed this already, and if not post a FAQ thread.Page 140—In the Pummeling Style entry, change the
Benefit entry to read “Combine your unarmed strikes
together”.Huh... That's a really bad feat! Does nothing.
Xethik is quoting a change to the feat's listing on the feat table, not the actual errata to the feat itself.
The actual errata for Pummeling Charge reads as follows:
Change the Pummeling Style feat’s introduction to “Your unarmed strikes weave together in an effortless combo, focusing on the spots you’ve weakened with the last hit.” Change its Benefit section to “Benefit: Whenever you use a full-attack action or f lurry of blows to make multiple attacks against a single opponent with unarmed strikes, total the damage from all hits before applying damage reduction. This ability works only with unarmed strikes, no matter what other abilities you might possess."
So actually, its a flat nerf to any builds that were using Feral Combat Training in conjunction with the feat, but that's about it.
Actually, there had previously been an FAQ (one of the few for ACG, so easy to find) that already prevented feral combat training.
Mark, thanks for taking the time to answer questions and clarify things.
Does the Extra Rage Power Feat count as getting a rage power from "another source" and therefore can only be applied to the Skald himself, or can a Skald take the feat to learn more rage powers to grant to his allies in a rage song?
If there's somewhere else where this is clarified, I apologize for the redundancy.
Here's a new question for you then, Mr. Seifter!
I was reading the changes to Slashing Grace, and was pleased that it now applies to my daggers. The way that the post-errata Slashing Grace is worded, it makes no distinguishment between ranged attacks and melee attacks with the selected weapon.
So if I'm a flying blade and I pick dagger, would Slashing Grace allow me to add my Dexterity modifier to my dagger's damage when I throw it?
(I figured you might know considering that the Iconic Medium uses a starknife and apparently has Slashing Grace.)
Mark, thanks for taking the time to answer questions and clarify things.
Does the Extra Rage Power Feat count as getting a rage power from "another source" and therefore can only be applied to the Skald himself, or can a Skald take the feat to learn more rage powers to grant to his allies in a rage song?
If there's somewhere else where this is clarified, I apologize for the redundancy.
No problem!
It was not felt to need an errata, so if you want an official clarification, you will need a FAQ. However, I can tell you unofficially that as far as I know, it is another source.
Here's a new question for you then, Mr. Seifter!
I was reading the changes to Slashing Grace, and was pleased that it now applies to my daggers. The way that the post-errata Slashing Grace is worded, it makes no distinguishment between ranged attacks and melee attacks with the selected weapon.
So if I'm a flying blade and I pick dagger, would Slashing Grace allow me to add my Dexterity modifier to my dagger's damage when I throw it?
(I figured you might know considering that the Iconic Medium uses a starknife and apparently has Slashing Grace.)
I took a look. The iconic medium is not adding it on thrown damage, since it isn't being used as a melee weapon then. That seems right to me.
|
Something tells me that in the many edits this went through something got deleted/reworded here. I would suggest that after they officially announce the errata, first make sure they have not fixed this already, and if not post a FAQ thread.Page 140—In the Pummeling Style entry, change the
Benefit entry to read “Combine your unarmed strikes
together”.Huh... That's a really bad feat! Does nothing.
Xethik is quoting a change to the feat's listing on the feat table, not the actual errata to the feat itself.
The actual errata for Pummeling Charge reads as follows:
Change the Pummeling Style feat’s introduction to “Your unarmed strikes weave together in an effortless combo, focusing on the spots you’ve weakened with the last hit.” Change its Benefit section to “Benefit: Whenever you use a full-attack action or f lurry of blows to make multiple attacks against a single opponent with unarmed strikes, total the damage from all hits before applying damage reduction. This ability works only with unarmed strikes, no matter what other abilities you might possess."
So actually, its a flat nerf to any builds that were using Feral Combat Training in conjunction with the feat, but that's about it.
Also note that the new Pummeling Style has completely removed that critical part. This is a very good thing because previously that line led many to using the feat in a very weird way.
Edit: Also I guess if Parry couldn't qualify for Signature Deed anyway it wasn't really a nerf. Though if I had been in charge of errata I would've made it capable of qualifying then lol. It's a shame they didn't errata Charmed life to be a permanent save bonus.
The big problem is the Gunslinger 11th level prerequisite that needs to be scrubbed from the Signature Deed feat. A better pre-req would be 11 levels in a class with Grit or Panache [edit]or Luck[/edit] as a class feature (so that Archetypes can benefit as well). Most home games I think are pretty okay with assuming that, considering the side bar in the swashbuckler class. So with that assumption, it is a nerf.
I took a look. The iconic medium is not adding it on thrown damage, since it isn't being used as a melee weapon then. That seems right to me.Here's a new question for you then, Mr. Seifter!
I was reading the changes to Slashing Grace, and was pleased that it now applies to my daggers. The way that the post-errata Slashing Grace is worded, it makes no distinguishment between ranged attacks and melee attacks with the selected weapon.
So if I'm a flying blade and I pick dagger, would Slashing Grace allow me to add my Dexterity modifier to my dagger's damage when I throw it?
(I figured you might know considering that the Iconic Medium uses a starknife and apparently has Slashing Grace.)
But Slashing Grace doesn't say "when making a melee attack" or "when used as a melee weapon." It only says, "when wielded in one hand."
Benefit: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.
Furthermore, you HAVE to be counting as wielding a ranged weapon in one hand or else Two-Weapon Fighting wouldn't work with pistols or hand crossbows (which it clearly does, or else the entire picaroon archetype is completely invalid).
|
Heh, ... given how many people have been waiting, I am a bit surprised they did such a stealth release of the errata document. I really thought there would have been a big blog post announcing it. Actually, didn't someone (Erik Mona maybe) say they would do exactly that?
Question for the Paizo folks - I've been waiting to buy the book until all the problems were addressed and fixed, so it looks like it's time to buy the book! :)
The question is, how do I insure that I get a second printing (which has all this errata incorporated, yes?)
Also, now that I think about it ... does this mean the APG section of the PRD has been updated to reflect all this errata?
Contributor
|
Heh, ... given how many people have been waiting, I am a bit surprised they did such a stealth release of the errata document. I really thought there would have been a big blog post announcing it. Actually, didn't someone (Erik Mona maybe) say they would do exactly that?
Question for the Paizo folks - I've been waiting to buy the book until all the problems were addressed and fixed, so it looks like it's time to buy the book! :)
The question is, how do I insure that I get a second printing (which has all this errata incorporated, yes?)
Also, now that I think about it ... does this mean the APG section of the PRD has been updated to reflect all this errata?
The PRD is updated by a different team... I'd expect some delays.
Publisher, Chief Creative Officer
|
| 7 people marked this as a favorite. |
1) No PRD changes yet (likely after Gen Con).
2) We're still selling the first print run of the book. We'll let you know when that changes, but it hasn't changed yet.
3) We'll likely make a blog post and discuss some of the changes once we're legitimately selling the second printing of the book.
Given the overwhelming desire/demand for errata for this book, I made sure that we posted the errata as soon as possible, not "when the new printing is on sale," as we normally do.
|
Contributor
|
1) No PRD changes yet (likely after Gen Con).
2) We're still selling the first print run of the book. We'll let you know when that changes, but it hasn't changed yet.
3) We'll likely make a blog post and discuss some of the changes once we're legitimately selling the second printing of the book.
Given the overwhelming desire/demand for errata for this book, I made sure that we posted the errata as soon as possible, not "when the new printing is on sale," as we normally do.
Glad to see it - also, well done for making your deadline.
|
I took a look. The iconic medium is not adding it on thrown damage, since it isn't being used as a melee weapon then. That seems right to me.Has it been pointed out that the medium is using a piercing weapon with Slashing Grace?
Presumably, it is meant to be read as "(light OR [one-handed slashing]) weapon." A Paizo dev would be the one to confirm this though.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
| 5 people marked this as a favorite. |
ok so Slashing Grace reads: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size. You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
So why the hate for TWF fighters or swashbuckler types? Or just for someone who holds a wand in the off hand?
|
Contributor
|
ok so Slashing Grace reads: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size. You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
So why the hate for TWF fighters or swashbuckler types? Or just for someone who holds a wand in the off hand?
Oof... that buckler thing is problematic.
I think we will just pretend this didn't happen.....
|
|
Oof... that buckler thing is problematic.ok so Slashing Grace reads: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size. You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
So why the hate for TWF fighters or swashbuckler types? Or just for someone who holds a wand in the off hand?
Bucklers are strapped to the forearm and don't take up a hand, based on their entry in the core book.
My swashbuckler loves them off-hand wands though. Ouch.
|
|
1) No PRD changes yet (likely after Gen Con).
2) We're still selling the first print run of the book. We'll let you know when that changes, but it hasn't changed yet.
3) We'll likely make a blog post and discuss some of the changes once we're legitimately selling the second printing of the book.
Given the overwhelming desire/demand for errata for this book, I made sure that we posted the errata as soon as possible, not "when the new printing is on sale," as we normally do.
Great, thanks for the update! It was a bit weird to have the errata without any announcement, but it sure is great to see it. :-)
Question: When will the pdfs be updated? When the second printing goes on sale?
|
Contributor
|
Oof... that buckler thing is problematic.ok so Slashing Grace reads: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size. You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
So why the hate for TWF fighters or swashbuckler types? Or just for someone who holds a wand in the off hand?
Bucklers are strapped to the forearm and don't take up a hand, based on their entry in the core book.
My swashbuckler loves them off-hand wands though. Ouch.
Hmm. It's be best if we got that clarified ironclad, I think... just in case. I'd prefer to avoid possible table variation.
Could you weigh in, Mr. Seifter?
|
Contributor
|
Probably needs to be asked as an FAQ, but if you can Mark, does spell combat count as TWF for things like Slashing Grace, since it calls out as acting like TWF?
I read the "another hand is otherwise occupied" as preventing spell combat... but if I'm wrong, I'd love to know.
I wonder if Dervish Dance will get similar wording when they run out of Inner Sea World Guides...
Mark, thanks for taking the time to answer questions and clarify things.
Does the Extra Rage Power Feat count as getting a rage power from "another source" and therefore can only be applied to the Skald himself, or can a Skald take the feat to learn more rage powers to grant to his allies in a rage song?
If there's somewhere else where this is clarified, I apologize for the redundancy.
No problem!
It was not felt to need an errata, so if you want an official clarification, you will need a FAQ. However, I can tell you unofficially that as far as I know, it is another source.
Great, thanks!
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I'm disappointed the action economy of the shield champion wasn't fixed. Guess it's still light quickdraw shield for my Captain Andoran character. Proficiencies and the base Brawler's AC bonus with shields got fixed though, at least.
Bolt ace got fixed, though their attack touch AC deed can't be used with signature deed.
Also, “Swashbuckler levels stack with gunslinger levels for the purpose of satisfying Signature Deed’s level requirement.”
PS: Sacred fist got kicked in the teeth HARD. I expect a lot of people to be unhappy.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
My stupidity will be forever engrained in the halls of the forum thread. Oh well.
I'm sad about the Sawtooth Sabre nerfs in favor of making light-weapons usable. This is probably healthier for the game and makes more thematic sense, but that's a majority unneeded nerf in my mind.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Seems like Shaman (and Spirit Guide Oracles) has an actual reason to select the Life Link hex now!
"The shaman creates a bond between herself and another creature within 30 feet. Each round at the start of the shaman's turn, if the bonded creature is wounded for 5 or more hit points below its maximum hit points, it heals 5 hit points and the shaman takes 5 points of damage. The shaman can have one bond active per shaman level. The bond continues until the bonded creature dies, the shaman dies, the distance between her and the bonded creature exceeds 100 feet, or the shaman ends it as an immediate action. If the shaman has multiple bonds active, she can end as many as she wants with the same immediate action."
I'm confused about the flurry of blows for slashing grace. What if one's just flurrying with that single weapon, the other hand wouldn't be occupied, would it? Or is it just stopping all flurrying outright?
Does Pummeling Style and Charge still work with Brawler's Flurry?
|
|
I took a look. The iconic medium is not adding it on thrown damage, since it isn't being used as a melee weapon then. That seems right to me.Has it been pointed out that the medium is using a piercing weapon with Slashing Grace?
Wierd. Never has there been a depiction of a starknife that I have seen that I would ever call a piercing weapon. I always just assumed they were slashing.
Something tells me that in the many edits this went through something got deleted/reworded here. I would suggest that after they officially announce the errata, first make sure they have not fixed this already, and if not post a FAQ thread.Page 140—In the Pummeling Style entry, change the
Benefit entry to read “Combine your unarmed strikes
together”.Huh... That's a really bad feat! Does nothing.
Xethik is quoting a change to the feat's listing on the feat table, not the actual errata to the feat itself.
The actual errata for Pummeling Charge reads as follows:
Change the Pummeling Style feat’s introduction to “Your unarmed strikes weave together in an effortless combo, focusing on the spots you’ve weakened with the last hit.” Change its Benefit section to “Benefit: Whenever you use a full-attack action or f lurry of blows to make multiple attacks against a single opponent with unarmed strikes, total the damage from all hits before applying damage reduction. This ability works only with unarmed strikes, no matter what other abilities you might possess."
So actually, its a flat nerf to any builds that were using Feral Combat Training in conjunction with the feat, but that's about it.
feral combat training would override it though wouldn't it? if this a feat that applies to unarmed strikes feral combat training makes it work with it.
edit:nvm i see the error of my ways
So was there nothing about the favored class bonuses? I know there were some questionable ones.