Build the most effective blaster sorcerer for current PFS

[DrDeth]

Thomas Long 175 wrote:

Cheese is generally using rules exploits to use something for other than its intended purpose.

Crossblooded? Intended to give you the benefits of two bloodlines with specific drawbacks. Using as intended with orcish/draconic. You still take the penalties and its doing exactly what its supposed to. No exploits.

Magical lineage and wayaang spellhunter have already been ruled to stack. They are supposed to reduce metamagic cost on a spell by 1. Working as intended. No cheese.

Crossblooded is cheesy when you take one level of Sorc then go Wizard, thus not taking most of the penalties.

Wayang spellhunter is a little cheesy as it's meant for the Dragon Empire, and not say, Sandpoint. And of course they only stack when you add metamagic which bumps the spell two levels.

[Bigdaddyjug]

Magical Lineage and Wayang Spell Hunter actually do different things, and there's the possiblity of some hinky happenings when you get to things like magus Spell Recall or any prepared caster using a pearl of power to recall a metamgicked spell they previously cast.

The reason for this is that Magical Lineage says it actually lowers the spell level, so that's easy to deal with. An intensified fireball remains a level 3 spell. However, Wayang Spell Hunter says it just lowers the slot necessary to cast the metamagicked spell. That intensified fireball is still a 4th level spell, but it only requires a 3rd level spell slot to cast it.

What's the different, you ask? Well, Spell Recall and pearls of power bring back certain levels of spells, not spells cast out of certain spell slots. So does an intensified fireball cast out of a level 3 slot because of Wayang Spell Hunter require 4 arcane pool points/a 4th level pearl of power, or would it be 3 points/3rd level?

[Cuttler]

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

So does an intensified fireball cast out of a level 3 slot because of Wayang Spell Hunter require 4 arcane pool points/a 4th level pearl of power, or would it be 3 points/3rd level?

Bigbaddy, your question is a valid one (albeit probably has been discussed in the past and people will refer to the FAQ and debates will go on from there), but I believe it should be discussed in the rules forum...

If you think it is worth it to discuss it again, I suggest you make a post in the Rules Forum...I think it would be interesting to see the answers to that (I foresee a long discussion....) :-)

edit: it's interesting...although I believe RAI was to have both traits work the same way, it's the first time I realize they are written differently....

[Bigdaddyjug]

Cuttler wrote:

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

So does an intensified fireball cast out of a level 3 slot because of Wayang Spell Hunter require 4 arcane pool points/a 4th level pearl of power, or would it be 3 points/3rd level?

Bigbaddy, your question is a valid one (albeit probably has been discussed in the past and people will refer to the FAQ and debates will go on from there), but I believe it should be discussed in the rules forum...

If you think it is worth it to discuss it again, I suggest you make a post in the Rules Forum...I think it would be interesting to see the answers to that (I foresee a long discussion....) :-)

edit: it's interesting...although I believe RAI was to have both traits work the same way, it's the first time I realize they are written differently....

Oh, I didn't want to start a discussion. I was just adding my 2 coppers to the previous post about them stacking and making people aware of possible pitfalls with using both traits together. Or with picking Wayang Spell Hunter because you want to take another magic trait, like Magical Knack.

[Renegadeshepherd]

In PFS the best ways to blast are pick scorching ray or fireball and metamagic it to the max and reduce the spell slot cost as bigdaddyjug mentioned. Scorching ray loses some effectiveness but not all at the end of PFS but fireball takes longer.

Personally I'd go with scorching ray with a side of fireball as a theologian cleric is the better class for a fireball based blaster.

[Bigdaddyjug]

Theologian cleric with Magical Lineage (fireball) and Wayang Spell Hunter (fireball) with a single level dip into admixture school wizard can do some crazy things. Like throw out a fireball that does 15d6 * 1.5 and freezes everybody in place. And they can cast these out of 4th level spell slots.

[Renegadeshepherd]

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Theologian cleric with Magical Lineage (fireball) and Wayang Spell Hunter (fireball) with a single level dip into admixture school wizard can do some crazy things. Like throw out a fireball that does 15d6 * 1.5 and freezes everybody in place. And they can cast these out of 4th level spell slots.

Indeed. A free intensified fireball metamagic feat is nice, a free 3rd level domain fireball is helpful, and being able having dazing fireball at level 4 spell can be just as good as that huge damage u mentioned. All the while getting fire resistance and such. Beautiful!!! Don't think an arcane caster will compete in this particular trick.

[Bigdaddyjug]

An admixture wizard with Magical Lineage (fireball) and Wayang Spell Hunter (fireball) can cast a rimed intensified fireball out of a 3rd-level slot using their Versatile Evocations school ability. That's an automatic, no save entangled as long as they take damage from the spell. Sure, you'll miss an enemy with Evasion every once in a while, but overall still a pretty good trick.

So you drop the rimed intensified iceball on them one round, then the next round you drop an intensified empowered maximized acidball on them and their reflex save is 2 lower because they're entangled from the first spell.