Rapid Reload / Crossbow Mastery and the Repeating Crossbow


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Are these feats applicable to a Repeating Crossbow in PFS?

PFSRD wrote:

Rapid Reload

Choose a type of crossbow (hand, light, heavy) or a single type of one-handed or two-handed firearm that you are proficient with. You can reload such a weapon quickly.

Prerequisites: Weapon Proficiency (crossbow type chosen) or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm).

Benefit: The time required for you to reload your chosen type of weapon is reduced to a free action (for a hand or light crossbow), a move action (for heavy crossbow or one-handed firearm), or a standard action (two-handed firearm). Reloading a crossbow or firearm still provokes attacks of opportunity.

If you have selected this feat for a hand crossbow or light crossbow, you may fire that weapon as many times in a full-attack action as you could attack if you were using a bow.

Normal: A character without this feat needs a move action to reload a hand or light crossbow, a standard action to reload a one-handed firearm, or a full-round action to load a heavy crossbow or a two-handed firearm.

PFSRD wrote:

Crossbow Mastery

You can load crossbows with blinding speed and even fire them in melee with little fear of reprisal.

Prerequisites: Dex 15, Point-Blank Shot, Rapid Reload, Rapid Shot.

Benefit: The time required for you to reload any type of crossbow is reduced to a free action, regardless of the type of crossbow used. You can fire a crossbow as many times in a full attack action as you could attack if you were using a bow. Reloading a crossbow for the type of crossbow you chose when you took Rapid Reload no longer provokes attacks of opportunity.

The question is, does a Heavy Repeating Crossbow count as a Heavy Crossbow (or does a LRC count as a LC)? There are many arguments for and against in the forums so I'm looking for an official answer, if one exists. If not, hit that FAQ button!


Wrong forum.

Since there's ambiguity (although, by a strict reading, they don't apply), assume they do not for PFS.


Cheapy wrote:

Wrong forum.

Since there's ambiguity (although, by a strict reading, they don't apply), assume they do not for PFS.

Which is the correct forum?


The Rules forum.


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Grand Lodge

Personally, I would allow it. IMO, the "repeating" part of the name is an add-on, but does not fundamentally change the weapon from its base classification. Similar to how a longbow and a composite longbow are essentially the same thing for purposes of feats, etc. But that is certainly not an official answer and I can see how table variation could be an issue.

Shadow Lodge

Bob Jonquet wrote:
Personally, I would allow it. IMO, the "repeating" part of the name is an add-on, but does not fundamentally change the weapon from its base classification. Similar to how a longbow and a composite longbow are essentially the same thing for purposes of feats, etc. But that is certainly not an official answer and I can see how table variation could be an issue.

The problem is it does fundamentally change how the weapon is loaded. A normal crossbow (heavy light or hand) is loaded one bolt at a time, a repeating crossbow loads a case of 5 bolts which are then reloaded with a lever.

Additionally, if you have Crossbow Mastery, why would you need to use a repeater?


Because Repeating Crossbows are cool. :)

Also, the repeater is useful throughout your entire career before you get Crossbow Mastery. You're not going to throw away your trusty, magical, expensive repeating crossbow just because the repeating aspect is no longer necessary.

Shadow Lodge

runslikeawelshman wrote:

Because Repeating Crossbows are cool. :)

Also, the repeater is useful throughout your entire career before you get Crossbow Mastery. You're not going to throw away your trusty, magical, expensive repeating crossbow just because the repeating aspect is no longer necessary.

This. I'm really hoping the ranged weapons toolkit book will further expand them. *Looks out at the writer of the book and gives the "I'm looking at you" sign*


That sounds like it'll be an awesome read! Is that a scheduled Pathfinder release? Do you have a link for it?

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runslikeawelshman wrote:
That sounds like it'll be an awesome read! Is that a scheduled Pathfinder release? Do you have a link for it?

Here you go.

Liberty's Edge

I would not allow it. Reloading a repeating crossbow is an entirely different type of action as reloading a crossbow.

Reloading when the box of 5 bolts has bolts in it, is a free action. Reloading the box of new bolts is a full-round action.


The part people ignore is you can already reload a repeating crossbow as a free action pulling the Leaver. Loading the case is a different action.

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