Halfling Cavalier


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So, after a lot of brainstorming, I decided that instead of making a new character, I may as well just optimize an exsisting one. After a little research, I decided to change my human cavalier into a Halfling. Halflings are cool because they have great saves and essentially hobbits, which I adore.
So, he is now an order of the cockatrice cavalier. His ability scores aren't great, considering I had to pile a lot into strength, but he's still a decent character. I decided though to come to the community about a little issue I have with him: his order.
The Cockatrice order is rather good when it comes to their special powers, but i find the idea of a little Halfling d-bag who's generally selfish and in it for the money REVOLTING. I don't wanna role play that! Sure, he's a follower of CC, but that's not greed, that's just enjoying life. I think of halflings as sweet little people who are charming, and well mannered. Like tiny Canadians.
So, I inquire to ask: would an order of the paw cavalier be better? Currently, he's a beast rider, which is an amazing archetype, IMO, so it would take away my archetype, as it restricts the mount to just wolves and dogs. I'm okay with that, but from a power standpoint, how good is it? How good is the order the paw cavalier anyway? I think it's all right, but whats the peoples opinion?

Anyway, let me know, and thanks in advance for the advice. Can't wait to see what you have to say!

P.S. Sorry for any errors. I'm using my phone instead of my computer, and I'm not quite as proficient.


I always loved the knight errant/ronin order. Also always thought it was the best for fitting into an advertiser's life style.


Well, he could be this kind of tiny Canadian.

He doesn't have to be a complete d bag, just a bit of a scoundrel, and knows all too well that puppy chow and ammunition ain't free, and there's no 401k plan in his line of work.

There are a couple of Order of the Paw builds here. Tark's cavalier guide is also well worth reading.

Mike Schneider aka SirThugsalot has some nice builds for halfling cavaliers and samurai in various threads, too. A search should bring them up, and "braggart knight" will bring up the builds for Order of the Cockatrice cavaliers.

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Thanks Experiment 626! I've actually read Tark's guide, which is why I originally chose Cockatrice, because he seemed to rate it the overall best Order.
I have a "Charger" style mount, I'm a Switch Rider, and I've pretty much followed the equipment guide, except I picked up a lucerne hammer, and masterwork Scale Mail (That might have been dumb, but I had extra gold from a pregen, so I went for it).

Grand Lodge

Halfings IMO can have a variety of personality. I play one who escaped slavery and found his way to last wall. At first he thought anything better than a Chiliax slave. But found service on the wall is just another form of servitude. He hates those who would use the law as a form of bonds or use it to crush an individuals freedoms. (If not PFS) he would hunt humans who abuse the laws to oppress people.

As far as the mount itself. Try to get a flyer or something that isn't completely ground dependant. The first climb they have to make will probably leave you un mounted. A favorite of mine is a giant gecko or a roc.

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Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:

Halfings IMO can have a variety of personality. I play one who escaped slavery and found his way to last wall. At first he thought anything better than a Chiliax slave. But found service on the wall is just another form of servitude. He hates those who would use the law as a form of bonds or use it to crush an individuals freedoms. (If not PFS) he would hunt humans who abuse the laws to oppress people.

As far as the mount itself. Try to get a flyer or something that isn't completely ground dependant. The first climb they have to make will probably leave you un mounted. A favorite of mine is a giant gecko or a roc.

I can't. I'm restricted to Dogs and Wolves. It's possible there's Somes sort of loophole there, but...

Grand Lodge

Man do I hate restrictions. Lol. I had to go beastmaster ranger to get my gecko. But its worth it climbing out of reach and lancing from the walls and roof. 100 foot wall....no problem its 1round running for a mount.

Liberty's Edge

Honestly, I think that just a halfling switch rider is really good as it is, not to mention all the stuff I've been reading up on Tarks many guides, that has maximized my ability. Things like Fate's Favored that give me +2 to all my luck bonuses, etc. Plus, because I'm using a Sling Staff, I don't have to invest as much into dex, and can put more into some other stats (I think I put it in Wisdom).

So, unless anyone else has any suggestions, I think I'm good.

The Exchange

How about bodyguard archtype, order of dragon and childlike feat. Pay no attention the the boy squire...

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So, here's my build real quick, just so everyone can comment if they like:

Name: Sauran Darvok (You might know me, eh. Though, that wasn't really me, there. That was actually an alternate personality. I drank some weird potion, and then I was human or somethin' eh. Don't know why! Hey, sorry if insulted ya or anything, though. He wasn't quite right in the noggin', that fellow.)
Race: Halfling
Class: Cavalier
Order of the Paw (No Archetype)
Wolf Mount

STR: 15
DEX: 12
CON: 12
INT: 10
WIS: 12
CHA: 10

AC: 17 Touch: 12 Flat-Footed: 16
Fort: 5
Reflex: 3
Will: 3

Skills: Diplomacy, Handle Animal, Profession, Ride
Wolf Skills: 2 to Perception (She is HD 2)
Feats: Mounted Combat, Paired Opportunist (Tactician)
Wolf Feats: Combat Reflexes
Traits: Fate's Favored, Armor Expert

Equimpent:
Lucerne Hammer, Lance, Halfling Sling Staff
Masterwork Scale Mail
Leather Barding (for my wolf, duh)


Brom the Obnoxiously Awesome wrote:


I can't. I'm restricted to Dogs and Wolves. It's possible there's Somes sort of loophole there, but...

Home game? There's your loophole. Tell the GM what you want. Tell him why. See if there's some compromise.

And tell him you'll be taking a level of Thug rogue and maximizing your Dazzling Display opportunities if he doesn't cave. :D


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The ultimate halfling mount is... the dire corgi!

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Experiment 626 wrote:
Brom the Obnoxiously Awesome wrote:


I can't. I'm restricted to Dogs and Wolves. It's possible there's Somes sort of loophole there, but...

Home game? There's your loophole. Tell the GM what you want. Tell him why. See if there's some compromise.

And tell him you'll be taking a level of Thug rogue and maximizing your Dazzling Display opportunities if he doesn't cave. :D

Haha, no. I'm pretty much strictly PFS. I don't have any other opportunities, really. Friends are always busy, and most don't take much interest. Stuff like that.

Grand Lodge

You could always dip 1 level of druid for the entire Animal companion list. Or do as I do and roll with a Beastmaster ranger. It has access to the entire list as well.

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Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:
You could always dip 1 level of druid for the entire Animal companion list. Or do as I do and roll with a Beastmaster ranger. It has access to the entire list as well.

Honestly, I don't see why not. I'll look into it.

The Exchange

Why not dip into the summoner? A mount tailored to your needs and recalled as needed.

Grand Lodge

Because a druids AC continues to grow in power with other classes that grant one. Like Cavaliers. It also gives you access to spell items of druid list. Which are great for an Animal companion.

A summoner dip does not let the edolion progress. Later levels he will be wiped out.

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ReckNBall wrote:
Why not dip into the summoner? A mount tailored to your needs and recalled as needed.

The Fruian man is correct. I was origanally considering this, but it would take a lot of levels to actually get a really good mount, and that would distract from my cavalier progression.

AND if I went summoner and then went into cavalier, I would tank, because summoners, as full casters, don't do well with multiclassing.
Druids are okay, I'm not so sure about spellcasting with this character though.
Ranger would probably compliment this cavalier well. But again, the problem here is pretty clear: I can't have any other mount other than a dog or wolf. And I, of course, don't have a problem with that. Maybe at some point, I'll be able to give my dog wings or something. I'll look into it.

The Exchange

Good points. Thank you for the clarification.

Dark Archive

Medium sized, sure-footed mount is about ideal. You can ride through any dungeon. Can't go wrong.

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Sir Morgan of Devil's Perch wrote:
Medium sized, sure-footed mount is about ideal. You can ride through any dungeon. Can't go wrong.

Lol. Yeah. I don't know if I mentioned this, but originally this character was a human and I just couldn't make use of his horse, so I level 1 redid him, and now he's a halfling, specifically for the purpose of getting a medium sized mount.

Grand Lodge

I honestly like order of the sword. The level 8 ability to add your mounts str to damage is amazing. Remember that is multiplied by 3. It also doesnt restrict your mount choices to suck (riding dog) and barely viable (wolf).

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Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:
I honestly like order of the sword. The level 8 ability to add your mounts str to damage is amazing. Remember that is multiplied by 3. It also doesnt restrict your mount choices to suck (riding dog) and barely viable (wolf).

That's a pretty good idea, but the problem is that the order of the sword is good, but better oriented towards a Mounted Terror build.

I read that the order of the guard is pretty good, because you can have your charge be your mount and it gets ridiculous, the only problem is that I would be buying another book for that, and I don't think it's worth it.

Grand Lodge

I'm a fan of mounted terror. It works super well. In PFS I've been off my mount 1 fight. And in 7 levels I've killed a majority of creatures in a single hit big hit. My gecko is lovable too. Everyone is starting to remember him based on his crazy mount.

Going order of the sword with an awesome medium mount will just be dominating at the table. Combat will be your shining point. But he does draw DM hate because of how hard he hits.

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Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:

I'm a fan of mounted terror. It works super well. In PFS I've been off my mount 1 fight. And in 7 levels I've killed a majority of creatures in a single hit big hit. My gecko is lovable too. Everyone is starting to remember him based on his crazy mount.

Going order of the sword with an awesome medium mount will just be dominating at the table. Combat will be your shining point. But he does draw DM hate because of how hard he hits.

ACTUALLY, I've been reading into the order of the Sword and SWEET ZOMBIE BEJEEZUS (in Tark's words), it's a very good order for a mounted terror. Any mount I want, and all these boons. THAT is some genuine power right there.

Thanks Fruian, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have looked more closely into it. HOLY CRUD! This could be the build right here.
And with a dinosaur mount, like a super tanky Anklyosaurus, or a really ridiculous Deinonychus. This could be awesome.

Grand Lodge

Yup no problem. Have fun tearing up the scenarios.

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Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:
Yup no problem. Have fun tearing up the scenarios.

Haha, I will. Thanks Fruian Thistlefoot

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