1st Level Rebuild and Grandfathering


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Let's assume that I have a character with 1 xp before the Aasimar/Tiefling cut off date. What can I do with a rebuild after that date? Can I...

Change the class of an existing Aasimar?
Change the subrace of an existing Aasimar?
Give my Aasimar Warpriest an archetype?
Change a Human to an Aasimar?
Make an Aasimar out of something with 1 xp from either a pregen or a GM credit?

4/5

I think the answer is going to be yes to all of those. However this is sheer speculation on my part. It will probably be cleared up with the release of the season six guide.

The Exchange 5/5 RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

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I would guess that, without an Aasimar boon, the answer to questions 4 and 5 will be "no". It makes no sense to retire a race if every single 1st-level PC can be freely rebuilt into that race.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

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I think the answer is in the original blog post from John & Mike: 'we're trusting you'll exercise some good taste and respect a decision made with the larger community in mind.'

So rebuilding one or two PCs that you weren't happy with anyway is almost certainly fine. Rebuilding a dozen PCs to wring every bit of aasimar/tiefling goodness out of the rebuilds is probably going against what was intended.

Grand Lodge 2/5 RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

My impressions:

HD23 wrote:

Can I...

Change the class of an existing Aasimar?

Absolutely!

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Change the subrace of an existing Aasimar?

You mean the heritage? Sure!

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Give my Aasimar Warpriest an archetype?

Go for it!

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Change a Human to an Aasimar?

Eh.... Well, yeah, nobody could stop you, but check yourself.

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Make an Aasimar out of something with 1 xp from either a pregen or a GM credit?

....maybe?

3/5

I would like to think that the answer to the last one would be 'yes'. The credit is applied immediately to the character. When the credit is applied should be the criteria here, and it's the only measurable one as well. Someone's gotta GM all those Confirmation runs for those trying to get grandfathered. Seems fair to let them benefit from it as well.

Lantern Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32

I believe the answer is "Yes" to the first 3, and "Not sure how anyone could tell" for the last two.
Of course, Pax hit the nail on the head quoting the blog post about restraint.

3/5

Chris Mortika wrote:
I would guess that, without an Aasimar boon, the answer to questions 4 and 5 will be "no". It makes no sense to retire a race if every single 1st-level PC can be freely rebuilt into that race.

Sure it does. Many of us don't have first level characters stockpiled. Any new character after August 14th becomes subjected to the retirement.

I would think that the best way to do this is:
"If your character has at least 1 xp granted to it before August 14th, and no xp granted to it after that (or on) that same date, and the character is level 1, it can be retrained into an Aasimar or Tiefling."

Now.. that said, I could totally see requiring a racial retrain and an ACG class retrain happening at separate times (as they could not happen together on legal dates). That would then perhaps require 1 scenario to be played after the racial retrain, but before the class retrain (and only if after that scenario the character was still unplayed at level 2). Frankly I think that is overcomplicated and unnecessary, but I could see it be reasoned.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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I suspect as long as your first chronicle sheet with that first XP is before August 14, you can rebuild into an Aasimar or Tiefling, because according to the documentation, you could always claim that the rebuild was done before the cutoff date. (And we all understand procrastination and doing things at the last minute.)

(Probably the condition's a little more than that; as long as the character is still first level, and all of the chronicle sheets are dated before August 14, you could rebuild into an Aasimar or a Tiefling. Once you've played it as something else after August 14, you can't.)

That's according to the rules. I think Paz really gets it right, though: just don't be cheesy, and everybody will be cool.

(Myself, I had a never-used character who was a Peri-blooded aasimar. When I saw the announcement, I wasn't sure I'd get to play him in time (although I do have some GM credit coming up), so I just converted him to human. Turns out I didn't have to give up too much. Yeah, lost darkvision, and one score went down by two. But, the human skill offset the score loss (I reduced INT), and the extra feat is always nice. The harder problem is rewriting the 1.5-paragraph backstory, as he had outlived his parents and believed himself a descendant of the Empyreal Lord he venerated. I'll probably just make his mom an aasimar in his backstory, as I believe that an aasimar/human pairing can have human offspring.)

Shadow Lodge 4/5

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Well, since I have many Aasimar builds planned out but was waiting for the concepts to be finalized first before creating them, I guess I'm going to GM The Confirmation online several times in the next few days.

And then I guess I'm going to try to make a paper airplane out of the Kitsune boon I worked so hard to get my hands on.

I feel the pain all the people who got hard-won Aasimar/Tiefling boons felt when those were made legal.

Silver Crusade 4/5

The questions in the first post in this thread are worth asking, but every response is pure speculation. People seem to be assuming that they know what Paizo intended, when they haven't actually told us yet.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

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It seems like they intended the birth of a bunch of aasimars and tieflings at the end of season 5.

Edit: #BecauseFútbol

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Fromper wrote:
People seem to be assuming that they know
rknop wrote:
I suspect...
Christopher Donnangelo wrote:
I believe...
DrakeRoberts wrote:
I would like to think...
I wrote:
My impressions...
Paz wrote:
I think...
Chris Mortika wrote:
I would guess...
David Neilson wrote:
I think...
Fromper wrote:
People seem to be assuming that they know

Grand Lodge 5/5

As Preston said, after the deadline, questions 4 and 5 are a no. The races will no longer be legal as open access, so unles you have a boon, you wouldnt be able to change to it.

As for the others...
1. yes
2. probably? I cant see why not.
3. yes

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane

Unfortunately, after the deadline, the answer to the last two questions would be no. The remaining questions would be answered with a yes as it was already an Aasimar before the deadline.

Note: Previous post was removed and reentered to add missing information.

Silver Crusade 4/5

My point is that pointless speculation is pointless. This thread should be the initial questions, followed by a response from Paizo. I have no idea why the rest of you even bothered to post, yet I suspect we'll see another 3 pages of pointless speculation, unless Mike or John comes along to give us the official answer quickly.

And ironically, the first two posts after Jiggy's are people giving a definite answer as if they know for sure. Unless the secret VO forum has an answer that hasn't been shared with the rest of us (and why would they hide that information?), Seth and Preston are just guessing, too.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Fromper wrote:

My point is that pointless speculation is pointless. This thread should be the initial questions, followed by a response from Paizo. I have no idea why the rest of you even bothered to post, yet I suspect we'll see another 3 pages of pointless speculation, unless Mike or John comes along to give us the official answer quickly.

And ironically, the first two posts after Jiggy's are people giving a definite answer as if they know for sure. Unless the secret VO forum has an answer that hasn't been shared with the rest of us (and why would they hide that information?), Seth and Preston are just guessing, too.

The point of posting is that there is no need for an official response from Mike or John. As of August 14th, those options will no longer be legal for play without a boon. So you will no longer be able to retrain into them. It would be no different if you tried to retrain into a class or archetype that got removed.

No, we are not just guessing. Its common sense.

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Fromper wrote:
My point is that pointless speculation is pointless. This thread should be the initial questions, followed by a response from Paizo.

But that doesn't happen, my friend. If it did, Mike and John would be spending all their time bouncing back and forth on the boards, arguing with the playerbase instead of developing scenarios or managing the campaign. (And I really don't think that the folks posting here would be satisfied with a single, concise decision announced here.)

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I have no idea why the rest of you even bothered to post, yet I suspect we'll see another 3 pages of pointless speculation, unless Mike or John comes along to give us the official answer quickly.

Why "pointless"? We've seen the kinds of rulings that the campaign leadership makes, and we're extrapolating. In the absence of Word of Ghod pronouncements, we're doing what we can to guide the original poster to a likely answer.

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And ironically, the first two posts after Jiggy's are people giving a definite answer as if they know for sure. Unless the secret VO forum has an answer that hasn't been shared with the rest of us (and why would they hide that information?), Seth and Preston are just guessing, too.

Why would Seth and Preston hide the answer? Because they're under an NDA. Why would the campaign leadership hide the answer? Because it's still likely that a good argument on the Venture Officer boards might sway the outcome.

Silver Crusade 4/5

No, it's not common sense. It depends on the exact wording of the grandfathering rule, which we haven't seen yet. The quick summary of changes presented in the blog post didn't specify how rebuilding rules would apply.

5/5 5/55/55/5

[militant agnostic]I don't know if they know how they're going to handle this question so i know that you don't know how they're going to handle this question. Ya know?[/militant agnostic]

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Seth Gipson wrote:
Fromper wrote:

My point is that pointless speculation is pointless. This thread should be the initial questions, followed by a response from Paizo. I have no idea why the rest of you even bothered to post, yet I suspect we'll see another 3 pages of pointless speculation, unless Mike or John comes along to give us the official answer quickly.

And ironically, the first two posts after Jiggy's are people giving a definite answer as if they know for sure. Unless the secret VO forum has an answer that hasn't been shared with the rest of us (and why would they hide that information?), Seth and Preston are just guessing, too.

The point of posting is that there is no need for an official response from Mike or John. As of August 14th, those options will no longer be legal for play without a boon. So you will no longer be able to retrain into them. It would be no different if you tried to retrain into a class or archetype that got removed.

No, we are not just guessing. Its common sense.

I could not have said it better. The options will not be available after Aug 14th without a boon so the changes indicated in the last two questions would not be allowed.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Fromper wrote:
No, it's not common sense. It depends on the exact wording of the grandfathering rule, which we haven't seen yet. The quick summary of changes presented in the blog post didn't specify how rebuilding rules would apply.

Youve already seen the grandfathering rule. They said any Aasimar or tiefling with 1xp or more before August 14th will be grandfathered into the campaign.

That said, you are welcome to believe what you want, but please dont go around telling other people there is no reason for them to be posting, and that we are merely guessing at the answer. Preston and I have both posted an answer. You have nothing to show that can counteract it, so by trying to discredit us, you only make the situation worse.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

I think that the answer will be yes to all of these, with the caveat that if people abuse it in such a way that staff gets complaints about it, the next time this comes up there will be no grandfathering "because last time we did it we got nothing but complaints"

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Seth Gipson wrote:
Fromper wrote:
No, it's not common sense. It depends on the exact wording of the grandfathering rule, which we haven't seen yet. The quick summary of changes presented in the blog post didn't specify how rebuilding rules would apply.

Youve already seen the grandfathering rule. They said any Aasimar or tiefling with 1xp or more before August 14th will be grandfathered into the campaign.

That said, you are welcome to believe what you want, but please dont go around telling other people there is no reason for them to be posting, and that we are merely guessing at the answer. Preston and I have both posted an answer. You have nothing to show that can counteract it, so by trying to discredit us, you only make the situation worse.

The thing is, because of the way 1st level retrains work, from a paperwork standpoint, there is no difference between the five scenarios.

So let's phrase this a different way:

Are you required to prove that a character who had more than 1 XP but fewer than 4 XP as of August 14 was played as an Aasimar/Tiefling before the deadline in order for it to be grandfathered in?

Because I'd be very surprised if that level of paperwork were required.

Personally, I believe that 4 & 5 are against the policy, but that violations could not be detected, and as long as those violations are small in number it shouldn't be a practical or ethical issue. I would furthermore add that it is not my place to excuse such violations, and I would neither commit them myself nor advise anyone else to commit them.

Or in other words...can you tell I'm a CPA?

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I believe the OP was asking about characters that have 1xp BEFORE August 14th, being rebuilt into tiefling or aasimar after the cutoff, but before they play their first game as a second level (following the normal rules for rebuilding).

Let's take a look at 4 hypothetical players:

-Alice has an aasimar cleric she created back in Season 4, and still has only 3xp.
-Bob built a human fighter back in Season 2, played him once, then put him on the shelf. When tieflings became available, he rebuilt his character, played him twice more, then switched to a different character for Season 5.
-Crystal heard about the blog post, and quickly whipped up a tiefling rogue, playing a module before the August 14th cutoff.
-Daniel missed the news about the retirement, but has a ball of GM credit from running three Season 5 scenarios earlier this year, and decides he'd like to build an aasimar sorcerer; this is that character's first play session.

You are running a table the last day of GenCon (August 17th), and these four sit down. They all have 3xp, and all are playing grandfathered races. How can you tell who is legal? Check the date of the first chronicle that grants xp. Is it dated before August 14th? Yes = Legal. No = Illegal without a boon. That's it. There's no inquisition as to the circumstances of your aasimar or tiefling character, no way of telling *when* you rebuilt your character, just that their first xp needs to be dated prior to August 14th.

If Edna wants to rebuild her aasimar she played once last month into a tiefling right before next PaizoCon, she can do so, because her first xp is before the cutoff date.
If Frank plays his first ever PFS scenario August 13th, and doesn't play again until next year, he can rebuild his Valeros pregen into an aasimar Valeros, because his first xp is before the cutoff.
Unfortunately, Gina can play or run 5 sessions of The Confirmation in the weeks between now and GenCon, to "bank" up 5 PCs who can rebuild into the grandfathered races, because their first xp will be before the cutoff.

Don't be like Gina, don't be a jerk. Game responsibly.

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Christopher,

Daniel will be submitting his Chronicle sheets to the GM, who will note that it has been a ball of GM credit till now, and Daniel will need a race boon.

Likewise, someone who has played 3 games as a human Kyra, and in October wants to switch over to a Tiefling Kyra. That player will be submitting his character to the GM for approval, as he performed a rebuild. That's when the GM notices that that the player hasn't ever played the character as an Tiefling , and says "not without a race boon."

Dark Archive

Unless they specifically rule to allow it specifically, current rules don't allow you to level 1 retrain into a restricted option without a cert.

And I would be very suprised if they included it in the grandfather rule. Being able to retrain a level 1 human that you started before Gecon into a Tiefling, 6 months after gencon, seems to be counter to the spirit of what they have explained about the grandfathering, or even the concept of grandfathering itself.

Basically, if you already have one before the rules change, you can keep it. Otherwise no. Why would they include such a loophole? Just incase someone decides they want to play an aasimar in the future but they don't have a raceboon?

Silver Crusade 3/5

John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

So are we to read this as

Quote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP of player credit; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

4/5

You can only retrain into legal options. So you can not retrain into an Aasimar/Tiefling after the cutoff date as they are no longer legal options for a player to choose without a boon after those dates. That should go for changing heritages as well.

Changing Archetypes, Classes, Stats, Gear, and other non-race related option also follow the same rules that you can only retrain into legal options.

It is true that for the most part we have no way to check when a character retrains his race whether it's before or after the cut off. Pathfinder Society players are an honest bunch and I for one trust that people will follow not only the rules, but also the spirit of the rules.

Grand Lodge 5/5

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The Fox wrote:
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

So are we to read this as

Quote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP of player credit; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

No. You can use GM credit. :)

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Likewise, someone who has played 3 games as a human Kyra, and in October wants to switch over to a Tiefling Kyra. That player will be submitting his character to the GM for approval, as he performed a rebuild. That's when the GM notices that that the player hasn't ever played the character as an Tiefling , and says "not without a race boon."

How would he notice that?

I'm not asking flippantly, by the way. My experience is that new levels usually mean freshly-printed character sheets.

Silver Crusade 3/5

Seth Gipson wrote:
The Fox wrote:
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

So are we to read this as

Quote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP of player credit; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.
No. You can use GM credit. :)

We are getting mixed messages here from various VOs and 4- and 5-star GMs.

I have a couple of characters that are only GM credits at this point, no plays on them whatsoever. I also have a character that only has pregen chronicles. It is unlikely that I will play them before Aug. 14. Which, if any can I build into tieflings and aasimars?

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Chris Mortika wrote:
Daniel will be submitting his Chronicle sheets to the GM, who will note that it has been a ball of GM credit till now, and Daniel will need a race boon.

Not true, as long as he has built the character as an aasimar/tiefling before the cut off.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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The Fox wrote:
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

So are we to read this as

Quote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP of player credit; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

No. As long as the character has been rebuilt into an aasimar or tiefling before the cutoff date, it is legal without a race boon regardless of where that 1 XP came from.

There is very little way to enforce this other than the honor system, but since this campaign has been built on the honor system as long as I have been a part of it, nothing changes.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Likewise, someone who has played 3 games as a human Kyra, and in October wants to switch over to a Tiefling Kyra. That player will be submitting his character to the GM for approval, as he performed a rebuild.

pH unbalanced wrote:
How would he notice that?

He would ask.

Player: I rebuilt the character, who is just now starting Level Two. As required, I'm submitting the character for your audit.
GM: What did you change?
Player: Very little. I changed the character from a human cleric to an Aasimar cleric. I subtracted a rank in Knowledge (planes) and the Selective Channel feat. I increased her Charisma by 2, I ...
GM: It's after the cut-off date. Do you have a race boon?

Silver Crusade 3/5

Here:

Preston Hudson wrote:

Unfortunately, after the deadline, the answer to the last two questions would be no. The remaining questions would be answered with a yes as it was already an Aasimar before the deadline.

and here:

Seth Gipson wrote:
As Preston said, after the deadline, questions 4 and 5 are a no.

and here:

Preston Hudson wrote:
The options will not be available after Aug 14th without a boon so the changes indicated in the last two questions would not be allowed.

We are told that 1 XP of GM or Pregen credit (from before Aug. 14) is insufficient. (One of you is even my VO. Hi Preston! *waves*)

Grand Lodge 5/5

The Fox wrote:
Seth Gipson wrote:
The Fox wrote:
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

So are we to read this as

Quote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP of player credit; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.
No. You can use GM credit. :)

We are getting mixed messages here from various VOs and 4-star GMs.

I have a couple of characters that are only GM credits at this point, no plays on them whatsoever. I also have a character that only has pregen chronicles. It is unlikely that I will play them before Aug. 14. Which, if any can I build into tieflings and aasimars?

Before August 14th, any of them.

After August 14th, none of them.

After that date, they will not be legal to use unless with a race boon, so unless you have already made the character* before that point, you wont be able to choose them.

Unless there is something I have missed, there should not be any difference in how this is handled for GM credit to player credit on an actual character to player credit earned on a pregen. :)

5/5 5/55/55/5

The question is when is a character rebuilt? When its played? In between sessions? At the end of the other session?

Silver Crusade 3/5

TriOmegaZero wrote:
The Fox wrote:
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

So are we to read this as

Quote:
The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP of player credit; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

No. As long as the character has been rebuilt into an aasimar or tiefling before the cutoff date, it is legal without a race boon regardless of where that 1 XP came from.

There is very little way to enforce this other than the honor system, but since this campaign has been built on the honor system as long as I have been a part of it, nothing changes.

So if I declare one of those characters to be an aasimar and another to be a tiefling right now, I should be good later?

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The Fox wrote:
So if I declare one of those characters to be an aasimar and another to be a tiefling right now, I should be good later?

Yes, but it looks like for some GMs you may want to print a timestamped character sheet to prove it to them.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Christopher Donnangelo wrote:
They all have 3xp, and all are playing grandfathered races. How can you tell who is legal? Check the date of the first chronicle that grants xp. Is it dated before August 14th? Yes = Legal. No = Illegal without a boon. That's it. There's no inquisition as to the circumstances of your aasimar or tiefling character, no way of telling *when* you rebuilt your character, just that their first xp needs to be dated prior to August 14th.

Exactly. How would someone know what race a 1st level rebuild character started out as?

What if they started as an aasimar, rebuilt into human, then rebuilt into aasimar? Exactly what timing of that would be considered legal/illegal, according to people who think rebuilds after August 14 shouldn't be allowed?

And Chris, what makes you think GM credit babies aren't allowed to be these races? Are you saying that if I create a tiefling character today, GM First Steps tomorrow, apply that GM credit to my tiefling, but don't get a chance to play him before GenCon, that it's not a legal tiefling? Why? The blog post just said they have to have 1xp before August 14. It didn't specify where the xp came from.

And this is why I said none of this is as clear cut as people are claiming. Paizo needs to put out a clear ruling, explaining the details. Until then, it's all just pointless speculation.

4/5

The Fox wrote:
I have a couple of characters that are only GM credits at this point, no plays on them whatsoever. I also have a character that only has pregen chronicles. It is unlikely that I will play them before Aug. 14. Which, if any can I build into tieflings and aasimars?

If they stay as unformed balls of credit until after August 14th, then none of them could legally be rebuilt into Tieflings/Aasimar's without a boon. Because at that point they aren't legal options to choose.

If you make them before the deadline then they all could be tieflings/aasimar'.

It's a fine line type distinction one that people will need to use their best judgement for. Their is no way for the campaign staff to word the grandfather clause in a way that can cover every possible option that can occur.

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Silver Crusade 3/5

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Okay, I will use this post to declare that my -8 is now an aasimar and my -9 is now a tiefling. The time stamp at the top of this post should suffice.

I assume that I can use the rebuild rules to change class, abilities, feats, skills, and equipment still without need a racial boon, right?

Grand Lodge 5/5

TriOmegaZero wrote:
The Fox wrote:
So if I declare one of those characters to be an aasimar and another to be a tiefling right now, I should be good later?
Yes, but it looks like for some GMs you may want to print a timestamped character sheet to prove it to them.

Yes, you should be fine, though TOZ' suggestion might not be a bad one.

If nothing else, I would definitely have something written down onto the character sheet, though how much it takes to qualify as having 'made' the character is likely a table variance issue, unfortunately.

Personally, Id be fine as long as you had the race, character name, and number on it. Others might want the whole thing fleshed out. :/

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The Fox wrote:

Okay, I will use this post to declare that my -8 is now an aasimar and my -9 is now a tiefling. The time stamp at the top of this post should suffice.

I assume that I can use the rebuild rules to change class, abilities, feats, skills, and equipment still without need a racial boon, right?

Corrrect!

You may want to print that post out, though, so you have it handy if questioned. :)

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Fromper wrote:
Until then, it's all just pointless speculation.

To you.

The Exchange 5/5 RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

The Fox: If that's the justification you're using, that won't work at my table, no. (Barring clarification from the campaign staff, of course.)

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Seth, the difference is that GM credit can be held on an unformed blob of PC, while player credit cannot. If someone plays before August 14th, she has indicated what race the character is. If someone runs a game, he hasn't necessarily done so.

So, let's say it's July, and your wife plays a human rogue for two sessions. You've GMed both of those sessions. Away from the table, she then rebuilds the character as a Tiefling, but doesn't play again until September. You also assign that GM credit to a PC you haven't yet played, but which you're imagining is either going to be a half-orc or a Tiefling.

August comes and goes. In September, which of you can start playing a Tiefling without a race boon?

I think the rule should require one player-XP to set the character as the chosen plane-touched race before the August 14th deadline.

Silver Crusade 3/5

Seth Gipson wrote:
The Fox wrote:

Okay, I will use this post to declare that my -8 is now an aasimar and my -9 is now a tiefling. The time stamp at the top of this post should suffice.

I assume that I can use the rebuild rules to change class, abilities, feats, skills, and equipment still without need a racial boon, right?

Corrrect!

You may want to print that post out, though, so you have it handy if questioned. :)

Quoted for posterity. :)

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