Western Weapons vs. Eastern Weapons


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Silver Crusade *

Mike and John. would you consider swapping proficiencies with western weapons for proficiencies for eastern weapons for characters that come form Tien-Xia.

My personal favorite eastern weapon is the Tetsubo but with the lack of feats that I would get for the class that I have chosen I cannot see the utility of wasting a feat on a exotic weapon feat for an iron bound club that is much easier to master than a Katana or a long sword.

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I would disagree it is easier to use.

Also keep in mind exotic weapons have slight advantages. This is what causes them to be exotic.

For a x4 crit it has the highest possible damage roll.

a cleric of Yamatsumi gets it for free.

Silver Crusade *

I should explain further what I am suggesting. If you come from Tien-Xia
you would get some of the eastern weapons that are exotic as martial and some of the western weapons that are martial or exotic would be exotic for a character form Tien-Xia. example a Tien would get a Tetsubo as a martial weapon but would have to take an exotic weapon feat for a Lucern hammer or Bec-de corbin.

Silver Crusade ***

I think we get what you are asking for. Exotic weapons remain exotic because they require a feat.

Should my character from Alkenstar have martial proficiency in firearms? Or should I be required to take a level of Gunslinger like everyone else?

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exotic weapons are a touch better than non-exotic weapons.

Regions have nothing to do with it.

Liberty's Edge

I like the idea of having more races get weapon familiarity.
The only problem is that it would be hard to think of something for everyone that was well-balanced.
Like, as a proud Varisian, I should get... Rapier as a martial weapon???
You see the problem.
Maybe we could just do it for the less mainstream human cultures that don't have so many feats or traits dedicated to them. I don't know.
I still like the idea, though.

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Many of the eastern weapons, by virtue of being eastern or just newer, are strictly better than their western/ non splat book counterparts. (For a non katanas are just better example, compare the glaive and glaive guisarm)

Giving people free access to them without a feat would be unbalancing towards something that is supposed to be a 99% flavor decision.

Sczarni ***** ⦵⦵

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

There are a few ways to gain Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Half-elves have an alternate racial trait that replaces Skill Focus with Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Inquisitors, Clerics, and Warpriests receive proficiency with their deity's favored weapon.

Some traits give you proficiency with an Exotic Weapon, such as Shoanti Tattoo, though I can't think of anything for an Easter Weapon.

One level of Fighter can do it, too.

Or just take the feat.

Shadow Lodge

Nefreet wrote:
though I can't think of anything for an Easter Weapon.

Hmm, I'm not sure if that would be weapons to use against bunnies, or weapons used by bunnies...

Sczarni ***** ⦵⦵

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Bunnies already have a natural attack: sharp pointy teeth.

Shadow Lodge

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So by process of elimination, I suppose that means weapons to use against bunnies.

I vote hand grenades, and recommend the paladin cast bless weapon before throwing 'em.

Sczarni ***** ⦵⦵

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Most Paladins in PFS aren't smart enough to count to three, though.

Shadow Lodge

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History has shown that isn't a problem when using blessed hand grenades.


Damn it SCPRM, I'm giggling away at work, you and Monty have a lot to answer for...

Shadow Lodge ****

Holy hand grenades? Why, there IS a use for that chronicle item!

Scarab Sages

Finlanderboy wrote:

I would disagree it is easier to use.

Also keep in mind exotic weapons have slight advantages. This is what causes them to be exotic.

For a x4 crit it has the highest possible damage roll.

a cleric of Yamatsumi gets it for free.

It has the same average damage as a scythe. I really don't see why it is a exotic weapon while scythe is a martial one.

Liberty's Edge ***** Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

Imbicatus wrote:
It has the same average damage as a scythe.

Are you still talking about the tetsubo here? Because it doesn't.

Scythe: 2d4, mean 5
Tetsubo: 1d10, mean 5.5

Scarab Sages

Paz wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
It has the same average damage as a scythe.

Are you still talking about the tetsubo here? Because it doesn't.

Scythe: 2d4, mean 5
Tetsubo: 1d10, mean 5.5

2d4 is much more consistent than 1d10, and they both do the same damage with measured response. The extra .5 average damage is meaningless in actual play.

Liberty's Edge ***** Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

Imbicatus wrote:
2d4 is much more consistent than 1d10,

True.

Imbicatus wrote:
and they both do the same damage with measured response.

Not on a critical hit.

Quote:
The extra .5 average damage is meaningless in actual play.

Not in the long term.

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Nefreet wrote:
Most Paladins in PFS aren't smart enough to count to three, though.

While many of them appear to be trained to do math, they're really just watching the reaction of their 6 int horse to their answer.

Scarab Sages

Paz wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
2d4 is much more consistent than 1d10,

True.

Imbicatus wrote:
and they both do the same damage with measured response.

Not on a critical hit.

Quote:
The extra .5 average damage is meaningless in actual play.
Not in the long term.

Even if 1d10 is slightly better than 2d4, the scythe has multiple damage types vs the tetsubo's one, making it more versatile.

And the difference between 2d4 and 1d10 is not enough to make a difference for martial vs exotic, as shown by the otherwise identical stats between all the martial polearms with x3 modifiers.

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

Nefreet wrote:

There are a few ways to gain Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Half-elves have an alternate racial trait that replaces Skill Focus with Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Inquisitors, Clerics, and Warpriests receive proficiency with their deity's favored weapon.

Some traits give you proficiency with an Exotic Weapon, such as Shoanti Tattoo, though I can't think of anything for an Easter Weapon.

One level of Fighter can do it, too.

Or just take the feat.

You know with your avatar you would have thought to include that Tengu with the Exotic Weapon Training alternate racial trait can get proficiency with multiple Eastern weapons.

Shadow Lodge ****

trollbill wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

There are a few ways to gain Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Half-elves have an alternate racial trait that replaces Skill Focus with Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Inquisitors, Clerics, and Warpriests receive proficiency with their deity's favored weapon.

Some traits give you proficiency with an Exotic Weapon, such as Shoanti Tattoo, though I can't think of anything for an Easter Weapon.

One level of Fighter can do it, too.

Or just take the feat.

You know with your avatar you would have thought to include that Tengu with the Exotic Weapon Training alternate racial trait can get proficiency with multiple Eastern weapons.

None of the weapons on that page, the Ultimate Combat page number which the alt. racial ability refers to, are exotic though. RAW hates us.

Sczarni ***** ⦵⦵

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Also, my first character was a Tengu Rogue specializing in Claw/Claw/Bite, so I don't usually associate Tengus and Swordtraining together.

Grand Lodge **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

It doesn't say "Eastern Martial Weapon." It says "Eastern Weapon" and gives the first page where the tables of Eastern weapons start.

As far as I can tell, none of the rule books use page ranges. They just give you the first page that is relevant.

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